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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
    wrote on last edited by
    #146

    The AP doing journalisming.

    IMG_0158.jpeg

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • George KG George K

      The AP doing journalisming.

      IMG_0158.jpeg

      kluursK Offline
      kluursK Offline
      kluurs
      wrote on last edited by
      #147

      @George-K said in The Curious Case of Claudine Gay:

      The AP doing journalisming.

      IMG_0158.jpeg

      The demarcation between reporting and advocacy has never been perfect, but this is not in the blurry middle ground.

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      • George KG George K

        @jon-nyc said in The Curious Case of Claudine Gay:

        Take a bow, Mr Ackman.

        Ackman sort of explains:

        jon-nycJ Online
        jon-nycJ Online
        jon-nyc
        wrote on last edited by
        #148

        @George-K said in The Curious Case of Claudine Gay:

        @jon-nyc said in The Curious Case of Claudine Gay:

        Take a bow, Mr Ackman.

        Ackman sort of explains:

        Take another bow, Mr Ackman.

        Only non-witches get due process.

        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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        • kluursK kluurs

          @George-K said in The Curious Case of Claudine Gay:

          The AP doing journalisming.

          IMG_0158.jpeg

          The demarcation between reporting and advocacy has never been perfect, but this is not in the blurry middle ground.

          jon-nycJ Online
          jon-nycJ Online
          jon-nyc
          wrote on last edited by
          #149

          @kluurs said in The Curious Case of Claudine Gay:

          @George-K said in The Curious Case of Claudine Gay:

          The AP doing journalisming.

          IMG_0158.jpeg

          The demarcation between reporting and advocacy has never been perfect, but this is not in the blurry middle ground.

          Not to mention scalping originated with the Indians.

          Only non-witches get due process.

          • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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          • MikM Offline
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            Mik
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            #150

            Again, all these things DEI are only a search for power and advantage. The proponents offer up a utopia, but what will really result is a bloodbath.

            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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            • HoraceH Offline
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              Horace
              wrote on last edited by
              #151

              I imagine that anybody who works in the DEI division of large corporations, is starting to feel a little nervous about their future.

              Education is extremely important.

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              • kluursK kluurs

                @George-K said in The Curious Case of Claudine Gay:

                The AP doing journalisming.

                IMG_0158.jpeg

                The demarcation between reporting and advocacy has never been perfect, but this is not in the blurry middle ground.

                LuFins DadL Offline
                LuFins DadL Offline
                LuFins Dad
                wrote on last edited by
                #152

                @kluurs said in The Curious Case of Claudine Gay:

                @George-K said in The Curious Case of Claudine Gay:

                The AP doing journalisming.

                IMG_0158.jpeg

                The demarcation between reporting and advocacy has never been perfect, but this is not in the blurry middle ground.

                Now I know who has me on ignore…

                https://nodebb.the-new-coffee-room.club/post/257072

                The Brad

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                • HoraceH Offline
                  HoraceH Offline
                  Horace
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #153

                  I won't feel safe until the ignore function is in prison.

                  Education is extremely important.

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                  • George KG Offline
                    George KG Offline
                    George K
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #154

                    Rep. Bowman tweets:

                    Best comment: "Thank you for sounding the alarm on this."

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

                    jon-nycJ 1 Reply Last reply
                    • George KG Offline
                      George KG Offline
                      George K
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #155

                      Gay writes an op-ed in the NYT:

                      https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/03/opinion/claudine-gay-harvard-president.html

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      • MikM Offline
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                        Mik
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #156

                        Jesus.

                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                        • HoraceH Offline
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                          Horace
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #157

                          paywall. Cries of racism and sexism, I presume?

                          Education is extremely important.

                          George KG 1 Reply Last reply
                          • HoraceH Horace

                            paywall. Cries of racism and sexism, I presume?

                            George KG Offline
                            George KG Offline
                            George K
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #158

                            @Horace said in The Curious Case of Claudine Gay:

                            paywall. Cries of racism and sexism, I presume?


                            Claudine Gay: What Just Happened at Harvard Is Bigger Than Me

                            On Tuesday, I made the wrenching but necessary decision to resign as Harvard’s president. For weeks, both I and the institution to which I’ve devoted my professional life have been under attack. My character and intelligence have been impugned. My commitment to fighting antisemitism has been questioned. My inbox has been flooded with invective, including death threats. I’ve been called the N-word more times than I care to count.

                            My hope is that by stepping down I will deny demagogues the opportunity to further weaponize my presidency in their campaign to undermine the ideals animating Harvard since its founding: excellence, openness, independence, truth.

                            As I depart, I must offer a few words of warning. The campaign against me was about more than one university and one leader. This was merely a single skirmish in a broader war to unravel public faith in pillars of American society. Campaigns of this kind often start with attacks on education and expertise, because these are the tools that best equip communities to see through propaganda. But such campaigns don’t end there. Trusted institutions of all types — from public health agencies to news organizations — will continue to fall victim to coordinated attempts to undermine their legitimacy and ruin their leaders’ credibility. For the opportunists driving cynicism about our institutions, no single victory or toppled leader exhausts their zeal.

                            Yes, I made mistakes. In my initial response to the atrocities of Oct. 7, I should have stated more forcefully what all people of good conscience know: Hamas is a terrorist organization that seeks to eradicate the Jewish state. And at a congressional hearing last month, I fell into a well-laid trap. I neglected to clearly articulate that calls for the genocide of Jewish people are abhorrent and unacceptable and that I would use every tool at my disposal to protect students from that kind of hate.

                            Most recently, the attacks have focused on my scholarship. My critics found instances in my academic writings where some material duplicated other scholars’ language, without proper attribution. I believe all scholars deserve full and appropriate credit for their work. When I learned of these errors, I promptly requested corrections from the journals in which the flagged articles were published, consistent with how I have seen similar faculty cases handled at Harvard.

                            I have never misrepresented my research findings, nor have I ever claimed credit for the research of others. Moreover, the citation errors should not obscure a fundamental truth: I proudly stand by my work and its impact on the field.

                            Despite the obsessive scrutiny of my peer-reviewed writings, few have commented on the substance of my scholarship, which focuses on the significance of minority office holding in American politics. My research marshaled concrete evidence to show that when historically marginalized communities gain a meaningful voice in the halls of power, it signals an open door where before many saw only barriers. And that, in turn, strengthens our democracy.

                            Throughout this work, I asked questions that had not been asked, used then-cutting-edge quantitative research methods and established a new understanding of representation in American politics. This work was published in the nation’s top political science journals and spawned important research by other scholars.

                            Never did I imagine needing to defend decades-old and broadly respected research, but the past several weeks have laid waste to truth. Those who had relentlessly campaigned to oust me since the fall often trafficked in lies and ad hominem insults, not reasoned argument. They recycled tired racial stereotypes about Black talent and temperament. They pushed a false narrative of indifference and incompetence.

                            It is not lost on me that I make an ideal canvas for projecting every anxiety about the generational and demographic changes unfolding on American campuses: a Black woman selected to lead a storied institution. Someone who views diversity as a source of institutional strength and dynamism. Someone who has advocated a modern curriculum that spans from the frontier of quantum science to the long-neglected history of Asian Americans. Someone who believes that a daughter of Haitian immigrants has something to offer to the nation’s oldest university.

                            I still believe that. As I return to teaching and scholarship, I will continue to champion access and opportunity, and I will bring to my work the virtue I discussed in the speech I delivered at my presidential inauguration: courage. Because it is courage that has buoyed me throughout my career and it is courage that is needed to stand up to those who seek to undermine what makes universities unique in American life.

                            Having now seen how quickly the truth can become a casualty amid controversy, I’d urge a broader caution: At tense moments, every one of us must be more skeptical than ever of the loudest and most extreme voices in our culture, however well organized or well connected they might be. Too often they are pursuing self-serving agendas that should be met with more questions and less credulity.

                            College campuses in our country must remain places where students can learn, share and grow together, not spaces where proxy battles and political grandstanding take root. Universities must remain independent venues where courage and reason unite to advance truth, no matter what forces set against them.

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

                            CopperC 1 Reply Last reply
                            • HoraceH Offline
                              HoraceH Offline
                              Horace
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #159

                              Thanks George.

                              Education is extremely important.

                              George KG 1 Reply Last reply
                              • HoraceH Horace

                                Thanks George.

                                George KG Offline
                                George KG Offline
                                George K
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #160

                                @Horace said in The Curious Case of Claudine Gay:

                                Thanks George.

                                For me, it's worth a buck a week to keep my subscription to the NYT just so that I can satisfy @horace's cravings for information.

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                • George KG Offline
                                  George KG Offline
                                  George K
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #161

                                  GC9JZ5oWkAAekg7.jpeg

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

                                  1 Reply Last reply
                                  • George KG George K

                                    Rep. Bowman tweets:

                                    Best comment: "Thank you for sounding the alarm on this."

                                    jon-nycJ Online
                                    jon-nycJ Online
                                    jon-nyc
                                    wrote on last edited by jon-nyc
                                    #162

                                    @George-K said in [The Curious Case of Claudine Gay]

                                    Best comment: "Thank you for sounding the alarm on this."

                                    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

                                    Only non-witches get due process.

                                    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                    • George KG Offline
                                      George KG Offline
                                      George K
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #163

                                      Her op-ed is being fact-checked. One claim, that she reported the ... misattribution ... to journals and asked for corrections is technically true. However, it was found in early October and she sat on it for months.

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

                                      1 Reply Last reply
                                      • George KG George K

                                        @Horace said in The Curious Case of Claudine Gay:

                                        paywall. Cries of racism and sexism, I presume?


                                        Claudine Gay: What Just Happened at Harvard Is Bigger Than Me

                                        On Tuesday, I made the wrenching but necessary decision to resign as Harvard’s president. For weeks, both I and the institution to which I’ve devoted my professional life have been under attack. My character and intelligence have been impugned. My commitment to fighting antisemitism has been questioned. My inbox has been flooded with invective, including death threats. I’ve been called the N-word more times than I care to count.

                                        My hope is that by stepping down I will deny demagogues the opportunity to further weaponize my presidency in their campaign to undermine the ideals animating Harvard since its founding: excellence, openness, independence, truth.

                                        As I depart, I must offer a few words of warning. The campaign against me was about more than one university and one leader. This was merely a single skirmish in a broader war to unravel public faith in pillars of American society. Campaigns of this kind often start with attacks on education and expertise, because these are the tools that best equip communities to see through propaganda. But such campaigns don’t end there. Trusted institutions of all types — from public health agencies to news organizations — will continue to fall victim to coordinated attempts to undermine their legitimacy and ruin their leaders’ credibility. For the opportunists driving cynicism about our institutions, no single victory or toppled leader exhausts their zeal.

                                        Yes, I made mistakes. In my initial response to the atrocities of Oct. 7, I should have stated more forcefully what all people of good conscience know: Hamas is a terrorist organization that seeks to eradicate the Jewish state. And at a congressional hearing last month, I fell into a well-laid trap. I neglected to clearly articulate that calls for the genocide of Jewish people are abhorrent and unacceptable and that I would use every tool at my disposal to protect students from that kind of hate.

                                        Most recently, the attacks have focused on my scholarship. My critics found instances in my academic writings where some material duplicated other scholars’ language, without proper attribution. I believe all scholars deserve full and appropriate credit for their work. When I learned of these errors, I promptly requested corrections from the journals in which the flagged articles were published, consistent with how I have seen similar faculty cases handled at Harvard.

                                        I have never misrepresented my research findings, nor have I ever claimed credit for the research of others. Moreover, the citation errors should not obscure a fundamental truth: I proudly stand by my work and its impact on the field.

                                        Despite the obsessive scrutiny of my peer-reviewed writings, few have commented on the substance of my scholarship, which focuses on the significance of minority office holding in American politics. My research marshaled concrete evidence to show that when historically marginalized communities gain a meaningful voice in the halls of power, it signals an open door where before many saw only barriers. And that, in turn, strengthens our democracy.

                                        Throughout this work, I asked questions that had not been asked, used then-cutting-edge quantitative research methods and established a new understanding of representation in American politics. This work was published in the nation’s top political science journals and spawned important research by other scholars.

                                        Never did I imagine needing to defend decades-old and broadly respected research, but the past several weeks have laid waste to truth. Those who had relentlessly campaigned to oust me since the fall often trafficked in lies and ad hominem insults, not reasoned argument. They recycled tired racial stereotypes about Black talent and temperament. They pushed a false narrative of indifference and incompetence.

                                        It is not lost on me that I make an ideal canvas for projecting every anxiety about the generational and demographic changes unfolding on American campuses: a Black woman selected to lead a storied institution. Someone who views diversity as a source of institutional strength and dynamism. Someone who has advocated a modern curriculum that spans from the frontier of quantum science to the long-neglected history of Asian Americans. Someone who believes that a daughter of Haitian immigrants has something to offer to the nation’s oldest university.

                                        I still believe that. As I return to teaching and scholarship, I will continue to champion access and opportunity, and I will bring to my work the virtue I discussed in the speech I delivered at my presidential inauguration: courage. Because it is courage that has buoyed me throughout my career and it is courage that is needed to stand up to those who seek to undermine what makes universities unique in American life.

                                        Having now seen how quickly the truth can become a casualty amid controversy, I’d urge a broader caution: At tense moments, every one of us must be more skeptical than ever of the loudest and most extreme voices in our culture, however well organized or well connected they might be. Too often they are pursuing self-serving agendas that should be met with more questions and less credulity.

                                        College campuses in our country must remain places where students can learn, share and grow together, not spaces where proxy battles and political grandstanding take root. Universities must remain independent venues where courage and reason unite to advance truth, no matter what forces set against them.

                                        CopperC Offline
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                                        Copper
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #164

                                        @George-K said in The Curious Case of Claudine Gay:

                                        Claudine Gay: What Just Happened at Harvard Is Bigger Than Me

                                        Reading this, I get the feeling I have seen it before.

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                                          Loury and McWhorter, good conversation

                                          Link to video

                                          Education is extremely important.

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