Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud
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wrote on 31 Jul 2020, 02:40 last edited by
Re deadline here for state elections they have to be postmarked on Election Day. It does take time to count them
My local school budget vote required the ballots to be received on Election Day. But this year was their first year experimenting with them.
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wrote on 31 Jul 2020, 02:40 last edited by
@jon-nyc Fair enough. So someone could vote in the polling station while their "envelope is in the mail" but when counting happens at the end, a system would identify that a person has voted 2+ times and would reduce their count to one, prioritizing the mail-in vote selection first [which is important in case the person selected different values on the two+ ballots].
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Re deadline here for state elections they have to be postmarked on Election Day. It does take time to count them
My local school budget vote required the ballots to be received on Election Day. But this year was their first year experimenting with them.
wrote on 31 Jul 2020, 02:41 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:
It does take time to count them
What will Wolf Blitzer talk about on election night then?
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wrote on 31 Jul 2020, 02:42 last edited by
Presumably. The setup is all there. I can’t say I know for sure everything that happens behind the scenes
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@jon-nyc said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:
It does take time to count them
What will Wolf Blitzer talk about on election night then?
wrote on 31 Jul 2020, 02:43 last edited by@89th said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:
@jon-nyc said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:
It does take time to count them
What will Wolf Blitzer talk about on election night then?
Yeah the days of instant gratification might be over, seriously.
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wrote on 31 Jul 2020, 02:45 last edited by jon-nyc
I should say I’m not a fan of mail in voting generally but during a pandemic year it’s a no brainer.
The reason I’m not a big fan is it allows people to sell their vote or be bullied, cajoled, or threatened into voting a certain way.
You could imagine unions holding voting events wheee everyone brings their ballots with them to headquarters to fill out ‘together’.
As long as voting is private, such abuses are avoided. Any non-private method (even a printed receipt in electronic voting) is open to this kind of abuse.
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Here they send an official interior envelope with your voter info on it with the ballot.
So you fill out the ballot, put it in the marked envelope, sign it and seal it, then put that in the mailing envelope.
And you sign the ballot too. Someone matches the signature with the one on file from your registration. It’s not that different than voting in person.
wrote on 31 Jul 2020, 02:45 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:
Here they send an official interior envelope with your voter info on it with the ballot.
So you fill out the ballot, put it in the marked envelope, sign it and seal it, then put that in the mailing envelope.
And you sign the ballot too. Someone matches the signature with the one on file from your registration. It’s not that different than voting in person.
And just how would they match those signatures?
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wrote on 31 Jul 2020, 02:46 last edited by
Same way they do in person. With the signature from your registration document.
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wrote on 31 Jul 2020, 02:48 last edited by
@89th , different states do vote-by-mail differently, just like different states do in-person voting differently.
Oregon Vote-by-Mail:
https://sos.oregon.gov/voting/pages/voteinor.aspxNew Jersey Vote-by-Mail:
https://www.state.nj.us/state/elections/vote-by-mail.shtmlColorado Vote-by-Mail:
https://www.sos.state.co.us/pubs/elections/FAQs/mailBallotsFAQ.htmlFlorida Vote-by-Mail:
https://dos.myflorida.com/elections/for-voters/voting/vote-by-mail/Do a web search to see how your state's vote-by-mail system works. Assuming you want to vote and you want your vote to count, then getting your research done early and complete whatever procedural steps your state requires early will only help.
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Presumably. The setup is all there. I can’t say I know for sure everything that happens behind the scenes
wrote on 31 Jul 2020, 02:48 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:
I can’t say I know for sure everything that happens behind the scenes
Fair enough and, let's be honest, the current method where your ballot is sucked into the scanner at the polling place and sent <somewhere> and counted by <something/someone> already has a ton of trust and zero traceability involved.
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wrote on 31 Jul 2020, 02:50 last edited by
@jon-nyc said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:
Same way they do in person. With the signature from your registration document.
So when I vote in person, I give my name and address and they look me up is a physical book. That book has a place for me to sign. Next to it is a copy of my signature from registration which they can match it to. In practice I’m not sure how carefully the little old ladies volunteering in my little village do that.
We don’t do voter ID here.
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@89th , different states do vote-by-mail differently, just like different states do in-person voting differently.
Oregon Vote-by-Mail:
https://sos.oregon.gov/voting/pages/voteinor.aspxNew Jersey Vote-by-Mail:
https://www.state.nj.us/state/elections/vote-by-mail.shtmlColorado Vote-by-Mail:
https://www.sos.state.co.us/pubs/elections/FAQs/mailBallotsFAQ.htmlFlorida Vote-by-Mail:
https://dos.myflorida.com/elections/for-voters/voting/vote-by-mail/Do a web search to see how your state's vote-by-mail system works. Assuming you want to vote and you want your vote to count, then getting your research done early and complete whatever procedural steps your state requires early will only help.
wrote on 31 Jul 2020, 02:50 last edited by@Axtremus said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:
Assuming you want to vote and you want your vote to count, then getting your research done early and complete whatever procedural steps your state requires early will only help.
If there's one thing this pandemic has shown, it's how Americans know how to do their research and take responsible, prudent actions.
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The fact that Trump was elected is so much more significant than that he loses. Don’t ever forget that chortlers.
wrote on 31 Jul 2020, 02:56 last edited by Doctor Phibes@Loki said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:
The fact that Trump was elected is so much more significant than that he loses. Don’t ever forget that chortlers.
Who's chortling? I was actually being serious. I know, I know, it's hard to countenance such a thing. As far as I can tell he's spent his entire life acting like a spoilt little shit.
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wrote on 31 Jul 2020, 03:53 last edited by
@jon-nyc said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:
Same way they do in person. With the signature from your registration document.
So, squads of hobbits are peering through looking glasses, squinting their eyes in the flickering fluorescent light of some courthouse basement, looking for loops and lines?
Sure, Mac. Sure.
They're going to get those ballots, open them, stack them and feed them through a counting machine as fast as they can. I doubt anybody takes time to double-check a signature...
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wrote on 31 Jul 2020, 03:56 last edited by
lol. Hobbits with veto power over a ballot because the feng shui of the signature as compared to the one on record doesn't strike their fancy. What could go wrong?
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wrote on 31 Jul 2020, 04:44 last edited by
Please do not confuse absentee voting with mail in voting. They are two completely different things, and have nothing g at all in common with each other.
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wrote on 31 Jul 2020, 10:58 last edited by
Absentee ballots are a subset of mail in ballots. The logistical and security concerns are identical.
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wrote on 31 Jul 2020, 11:35 last edited by
Soooo in Virginia, I just looked it up (thanks @Axtremus ), the Mail-In process is just the absentee process. Check this out:
- Have to register to vote absentee by Oct 13
- Have to have your ballot be RECEIVED by Election Day (not postmarked). Note that 4,000 votes didn’t count during the primaries because they were received too late.
- Virginia did change the requirement that you don’t need an approved reason to vote absentee.
This is interesting, I bet LOTS of folks won’t realize they need to register almost a month before the election.
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Absentee ballots are a subset of mail in ballots. The logistical and security concerns are identical.
wrote on 31 Jul 2020, 12:14 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:
Absentee ballots are a subset of mail in ballots. The logistical and security concerns are identical.
Early voting is done here in person. You go to the courthouse or other designated government building, show your ID, and vote.
Taking a few paper clips and a rubber band or two, Uncle Earl said, I can make them voting machines sing Home Sweet Home. Shucks, back in college, I rigged an election on a voting machine. So, we down here are quite aware of how elections can be rigged, and I can see lots of possibilities with mail-in ballots.
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wrote on 31 Jul 2020, 15:18 last edited by
Federalist Society co-founder says Trump’s tweet about postponing the election is grounds for ‘immediate impeachment’
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/federalist-trump-tweet-election-delay-impeachment
Federalist Society co-founder Stephen Calabresi said that President Trump’s tweet suggesting to postpone the election is “fascistic” and “grounds for the president’s immediate impeachment.”
“Until recently, I had taken as political hyperbole the Democrats’ assertion that President Trump is a fascist,” Calabresi wrote in an op-ed for the New York Times. “But this latest tweet is fascistic and is itself grounds for the president’s immediate impeachment again by the House of Representatives and his removal from office by the Senate.”
Calabresi noted that he has voted Republican in every presidential election since 1980, including for Trump in 2016. He said he had defended the president against the Mueller investigation and against the impeachment investigation.