Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud
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@jon-nyc said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:
I think we'll have to wait for 2024 to see that. Hopefully by then the GOP will have regained sanity.
I guess that would also be what I'd hope for. Hope that Biden doesn't do too much damage (he will almost certainly do some damage) and that the GOP will press the reset button until 2024.
wrote on 30 Jul 2020, 14:21 last edited by@Klaus said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:
@jon-nyc said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:
I think we'll have to wait for 2024 to see that. Hopefully by then the GOP will have regained sanity.
I guess that would also be what I'd hope for. Hope that Biden doesn't do too much damage (he will almost certainly do some damage) and that the GOP will press the reset button until 2024.
"Pressing the reset button" is another way of saying "go back to being democrat lite". We pressed the reset button 4 years ago.
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It's the inside straight. Trump loses so big the GOP reels and fixes itself before the Democratic Party is completely taken over by the regressive left.
I don't think it's likely, but sometimes hope is all we have.
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@Klaus said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:
@jon-nyc said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:
I think we'll have to wait for 2024 to see that. Hopefully by then the GOP will have regained sanity.
I guess that would also be what I'd hope for. Hope that Biden doesn't do too much damage (he will almost certainly do some damage) and that the GOP will press the reset button until 2024.
"Pressing the reset button" is another way of saying "go back to being democrat lite". We pressed the reset button 4 years ago.
wrote on 30 Jul 2020, 14:24 last edited by Klaus@Larry said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:
We pressed the reset button 4 years ago.
Yeah, but 4 years ago they first screwed up the CPU and then pressed the reset button and hence got the Orange Screen of Death.
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wrote on 30 Jul 2020, 14:26 last edited by
What we need is to take the House away from the idiot democrats and the republicans to control both houses of Congress and the oval office.
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wrote on 30 Jul 2020, 14:27 last edited by
Seems unlikely.
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wrote on 30 Jul 2020, 14:27 last edited by
What we need is for both sides to quit playing power politics and start serving the people of this country.
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What we need is for both sides to quit playing power politics and start serving the people of this country.
wrote on 30 Jul 2020, 14:29 last edited by@Mik said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:
What we need is for both sides to quit playing power politics and start serving the people of this country.
That'd be a first.
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What we need is for both sides to quit playing power politics and start serving the people of this country.
wrote on 30 Jul 2020, 14:30 last edited by Klaus@Mik said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:
What we need is for both sides to quit playing power politics and start serving the people of this country.
That sounds good in theory, but what if the people have very diverging conceptions of how they want to be governed?
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wrote on 30 Jul 2020, 14:31 last edited by
Yes. But that won't happen. It won't happen because the democrats don't give a damn about America, and half the republicans don't either.
But you're correct.
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@Larry said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:
Nor do I believe the polls that say he's ahead.
Trumps internal polling is almost certainly abysmal, hence this tweet.
wrote on 30 Jul 2020, 14:47 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:
@Larry said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:
Nor do I believe the polls that say he's ahead.
Trumps internal polling is almost certainly abysmal, hence this tweet.
Nah, I think it's a pre-emptive strike.
There are problems with mail-in ballots and we all know it. They are extremely easy to manipulate and ballot harvest. They also lend themselves to an October Surprise, if it's done well, especially with a Biden-friendly media.
As for poll numbers...I think Trump is down about five, but it's not even Labor Day. And the more Biden has to campaign, the more his senility is expressed.
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@Mik said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:
What we need is for both sides to quit playing power politics and start serving the people of this country.
That sounds good in theory, but what if the people have very diverging conceptions of how they want to be governed?
wrote on 30 Jul 2020, 14:49 last edited by@Klaus said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:
@Mik said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:
What we need is for both sides to quit playing power politics and start serving the people of this country.
That sounds good in theory, but what if the people have very diverging conceptions of how they want to be governed?
I have zero doubt that the left are fully convinced that they serve the people of the country.
One of the more insidious aspects of our learned righteousness is that compassion is for the least advantaged materially, and the bulk of the bell curve can go F itself. Entire societies can apparently be led by attaching the leash to the tail of the bell curve and shaming everybody for not devoting all their attention to it, hang the expense.
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@Klaus - yeah of course if any person had sufficient backing from the military they could take over.
I don't see that as a risk in 2020. The bigger risk is Trump-friendly state governments attempting to invalidate whole classes of votes, putting up a competing slate of electors, or just never sending any, in order to throw the election into the house.
(note that an election in the house probably goes to Trump, because it isn't a straight vote of representatives, it's a vote by state delegation)
wrote on 30 Jul 2020, 14:51 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:
@Klaus - yeah of course if any person had sufficient backing from the military they could take over.
I don't see that as a risk in 2020. The bigger risk is Trump-friendly state governments attempting to invalidate whole classes of votes, putting up a competing slate of electors, or just never sending any, in order to throw the election into the house.
It's weird how you fail to mention that some Democrat electors tried this in 2016 as a last ditch righteous attempt to keep Trump out of office.
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@Klaus said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:
@Mik said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:
What we need is for both sides to quit playing power politics and start serving the people of this country.
That sounds good in theory, but what if the people have very diverging conceptions of how they want to be governed?
I have zero doubt that the left are fully convinced that they serve the people of the country.
One of the more insidious aspects of our learned righteousness is that compassion is for the least advantaged materially, and the bulk of the bell curve can go F itself. Entire societies can apparently be led by attaching the leash to the tail of the bell curve and shaming everybody for not devoting all their attention to it, hang the expense.
wrote on 30 Jul 2020, 14:52 last edited by@Horace said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:
@Klaus said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:
@Mik said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:
What we need is for both sides to quit playing power politics and start serving the people of this country.
That sounds good in theory, but what if the people have very diverging conceptions of how they want to be governed?
I have zero doubt that the left are fully convinced that they serve the people of the country.
One of the more insidious aspects of our learned righteousness is that compassion is for the least advantaged materially, and the bulk of the bell curve can go F itself. Entire societies can apparently be led by attaching the leash to the tail of the bell curve and shaming everybody for not devoting all their attention to it, hang the expense.
Preach on, brother...
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wrote on 30 Jul 2020, 15:25 last edited by
If Mr. Biden wanted a delay due to racism, it would already be a done deal.
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@Mik said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:
What we need is for both sides to quit playing power politics and start serving the people of this country.
That sounds good in theory, but what if the people have very diverging conceptions of how they want to be governed?
wrote on 30 Jul 2020, 15:26 last edited by@Klaus said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:
That sounds good in theory, but what if the people have very diverging conceptions of how they want to be governed?
"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." -- H. L. Mencken
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wrote on 30 Jul 2020, 16:20 last edited by
Biden is a centrist. The only question is his effectiveness and ability to lead.
Even Obama who tried to push through some progressive ideas early on received the feedback of losing the House, The Senate and Governorships in that order. At the end of the day Obama looked pretty similar to Bill Clinton and the Republic did well enough.
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@Klaus said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:
@Mik said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:
What we need is for both sides to quit playing power politics and start serving the people of this country.
That sounds good in theory, but what if the people have very diverging conceptions of how they want to be governed?
I have zero doubt that the left are fully convinced that they serve the people of the country.
One of the more insidious aspects of our learned righteousness is that compassion is for the least advantaged materially, and the bulk of the bell curve can go F itself. Entire societies can apparently be led by attaching the leash to the tail of the bell curve and shaming everybody for not devoting all their attention to it, hang the expense.
wrote on 30 Jul 2020, 16:39 last edited by@Horace said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:
@Klaus said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:
@Mik said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:
What we need is for both sides to quit playing power politics and start serving the people of this country.
That sounds good in theory, but what if the people have very diverging conceptions of how they want to be governed?
I have zero doubt that the left are fully convinced that they serve the people of the country.
One of the more insidious aspects of our learned righteousness is that compassion is for the least advantaged materially, and the bulk of the bell curve can go F itself. Entire societies can apparently be led by attaching the leash to the tail of the bell curve and shaming everybody for not devoting all their attention to it, hang the expense.
Bingo. Horace wins the internet today.
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@Horace said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:
@Klaus said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:
@Mik said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:
What we need is for both sides to quit playing power politics and start serving the people of this country.
That sounds good in theory, but what if the people have very diverging conceptions of how they want to be governed?
I have zero doubt that the left are fully convinced that they serve the people of the country.
One of the more insidious aspects of our learned righteousness is that compassion is for the least advantaged materially, and the bulk of the bell curve can go F itself. Entire societies can apparently be led by attaching the leash to the tail of the bell curve and shaming everybody for not devoting all their attention to it, hang the expense.
Bingo. Horace wins the internet today.
wrote on 30 Jul 2020, 17:33 last edited by@Mik said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:
@Horace said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:
@Klaus said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:
@Mik said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:
What we need is for both sides to quit playing power politics and start serving the people of this country.
That sounds good in theory, but what if the people have very diverging conceptions of how they want to be governed?
I have zero doubt that the left are fully convinced that they serve the people of the country.
One of the more insidious aspects of our learned righteousness is that compassion is for the least advantaged materially, and the bulk of the bell curve can go F itself. Entire societies can apparently be led by attaching the leash to the tail of the bell curve and shaming everybody for not devoting all their attention to it, hang the expense.
Bingo. Horace wins the internet today.
Taking your bell curve one step forward, it’s the fight on both sides for the middle. Who is going to win their hearts and minds because that where the bulk of the votes are.
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wrote on 30 Jul 2020, 19:14 last edited by
Well I’ll throw some cold water on trumps stupidity.
In the impossible situation where federal law is changed and the election is delayed. The constitution rules that the presidents term ends January 20. If there is no president elect, than (sit down larry) pelosi becomes president.
In cases where there is no president-elect or vice president-elect, the amendment also gives the Congress the authority to declare an acting president until such time as there is a president or vice president. At this point the Presidential Succession Act of 1947 would apply, with the office of the Presidency going to the speaker of the House of Representatives, followed by the president pro tempore of the Senate and various Cabinet officers.
And if you want to see the original wording of the act
80TH UNITED STATES CONGRESS
1ST SESSION
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That(a)
(1) if, by reason of death, resignation, removal from office, inability, or failure to qualify, there is neither a President nor Vice President to discharge the powers and duties of the office of President, then the Speaker of the House of Representatives shall, upon his resignation as Speaker and as Representative in Congress, act as President.
