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Now And Then

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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
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    #3

    https://nodebb.the-new-coffee-room.club/topic/24985/reuniting-the-beatles/2?_=1699184952576

    My comment in that thread was, "Yawn."

    It's a totally mundane song with none of the genius, unexpected stuff that the Beatles were known for. It sounds like something that could have been written by AI, though AI might have produced a marginally better version.

    The two remaining Beatles are long, long past their sell-by date.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • MikM Offline
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      #4

      It was partially produced by AI. That's what they had to do to isolate Lennon's voice and fill in the parts they did not have. But yeah, that song would never have made a Beatles album.

      "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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      • JollyJ Offline
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        Jolly
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        #5

        Link to video

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        • George KG Offline
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          George K
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          #6

          Beato..."Maybe some things are best left...undone. The Beatles were one of the few groups that stopped playing at the right time."

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • taiwan_girlT Offline
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            #7

            This was probably one of those songs that never would have been on an album during their career. The only reason it is getting big news is just because of the timing and situation.

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            • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

              This was probably one of those songs that never would have been on an album during their career. The only reason it is getting big news is just because of the timing and situation.

              George KG Offline
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              George K
              wrote on last edited by George K
              #8

              @taiwan_girl said in Now And Then:

              This was probably one of those songs that never would have been on an album during their career. The only reason it is getting big news is just because of the timing and situation.

              Excellent point. The thirst for nostalgia is never quenched.

              Out of 214 Beatles' songs, this ranks #211. I'd rate it lower.

              https://www.vulture.com/article/best-beatles-songs-ranked.html

              The remaining Beatles and their heirs are of course allowed to market the group’s material as they wish, but the periodic “last Beatles song” campaigns (“Free As a Bird” in 1995, “Real Love” the year after, and now “Now and Then”) are not Beatles songs. They are muddy Lennon demo fragments from the 1970s that have been gussied up so they can be purveyed to help sell new Beatles paraphernalia. The sober assurances from all involved, from McCartney to Sean Ono Lennon, that John would have wanted this ring a bit hollow. And all the hype — filled with lots of early footage of the Beatles working together to make it seem like this is an actual Beatles project — comes across as strained.

              The line on “Now and Then” is that it was considered back in the 1990s to help sell the Anthology releases, but the quality of the tape wouldn’t allow it. Now, McCartney is throwing around words like “artificial intelligence” and “machine learning” to justify this particular excavation. The result are some trivial lyrics set against a haunting lilt of a melody in the chorus, with a lot of cobbling together of various Beatles-y instrumentation à la the Love project on top. Lennon’s voice is spectral and vulnerable. (But note how he cleverly repurposes the idiom “now and then.”) It would have been more respectful all the way around had this been simply billed as a Lennon solo project that McCartney & Co. brought back to life as a tribute to him. Docked 100 notches for going back to the well once too often.

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                Doctor Phibes
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                I think we should give McCartney the benefit of the doubt. He probably needs the dosh.

                I was only joking

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                • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                  I think we should give McCartney the benefit of the doubt. He probably needs the dosh.

                  George KG Offline
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                  George K
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                  @Doctor-Phibes said in Now And Then:

                  He probably needs the dosh.

                  I assume this is a "British-ism" for "cash."

                  But, he doesn't. Especially at his age.

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • George KG George K

                    @taiwan_girl said in Now And Then:

                    This was probably one of those songs that never would have been on an album during their career. The only reason it is getting big news is just because of the timing and situation.

                    Excellent point. The thirst for nostalgia is never quenched.

                    Out of 214 Beatles' songs, this ranks #211. I'd rate it lower.

                    https://www.vulture.com/article/best-beatles-songs-ranked.html

                    The remaining Beatles and their heirs are of course allowed to market the group’s material as they wish, but the periodic “last Beatles song” campaigns (“Free As a Bird” in 1995, “Real Love” the year after, and now “Now and Then”) are not Beatles songs. They are muddy Lennon demo fragments from the 1970s that have been gussied up so they can be purveyed to help sell new Beatles paraphernalia. The sober assurances from all involved, from McCartney to Sean Ono Lennon, that John would have wanted this ring a bit hollow. And all the hype — filled with lots of early footage of the Beatles working together to make it seem like this is an actual Beatles project — comes across as strained.

                    The line on “Now and Then” is that it was considered back in the 1990s to help sell the Anthology releases, but the quality of the tape wouldn’t allow it. Now, McCartney is throwing around words like “artificial intelligence” and “machine learning” to justify this particular excavation. The result are some trivial lyrics set against a haunting lilt of a melody in the chorus, with a lot of cobbling together of various Beatles-y instrumentation à la the Love project on top. Lennon’s voice is spectral and vulnerable. (But note how he cleverly repurposes the idiom “now and then.”) It would have been more respectful all the way around had this been simply billed as a Lennon solo project that McCartney & Co. brought back to life as a tribute to him. Docked 100 notches for going back to the well once too often.

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                    @George-K said in Now And Then:

                    Out of 214 Beatles' songs, this ranks #211. I'd rate it lower.

                    LOL

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                    • 89th8 Offline
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                      89th
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                      #12

                      Was never much of a fan of Beatles music. This has not changed it. Agree it sounds like an AI song.

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                      • jon-nycJ Offline
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                        jon-nyc
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                        #13

                        I can’t even work up sufficient motivation to play it.

                        Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                          I can’t even work up sufficient motivation to play it.

                          markM Offline
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                          #14

                          @jon-nyc said in Now And Then:

                          I can’t even work up sufficient motivation to play it.

                          +1

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                          • JollyJ Offline
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                            Jolly
                            wrote on last edited by Jolly
                            #15

                            Tough room.

                            It's not their best, but it's certainly the style. Compared to a lot of the crap out there today, certainly listenable.

                            I give it 👂👂.

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                              @George-K said in Now And Then:

                              Out of 214 Beatles' songs, this ranks #211. I'd rate it lower.

                              LOL

                              George KG Offline
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                              George K
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #16

                              @taiwan_girl said in Now And Then:

                              @George-K said in Now And Then:

                              Out of 214 Beatles' songs, this ranks #211. I'd rate it lower.

                              LOL

                              It rates this song higher than "Good Day Sunshine," "Dig It," and "Little Child."

                              I might put it higher than "Dig It," but it's a tough call.

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              • LuFins DadL Offline
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                                LuFins Dad
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                                #17

                                Sorry. I still don’t get The Beetle’s fandom.

                                The Brad

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                                • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                  Sorry. I still don’t get The Beetle’s fandom.

                                  Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                                  Doctor Phibes
                                  wrote on last edited by
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                                  @LuFins-Dad said in Now And Then:

                                  Sorry. I still don’t get The Beetle’s fandom.

                                  It was a great car for it's time. Affordable, reliable and designed by Adolf Hitler with some assistance from Ferdinand Porsche. What's not to like?

                                  Anyway, getting back to the song, I didn't think it was that great.

                                  I was only joking

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