The Hypocrisy of the Progressive Left: Israel vs Hamas Edition
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“So much of the work that happened in that [Trump] administration turns out to have been right. And that’s what is so frustrating for me. The work on the border wall? We didn’t like the messenger, so we killed the message. Turned out it was right. Issuing long-term debt to refinance when rates were at zero? We didn’t like the messenger, so we killed the message. A structural peace in the Middle East? We didn’t like the messenger, so we killed the message.”
First one I’ll agree.
50 and 100 year bonds? Wasn’t partisan at all and Mnuchen gave up on the idea in 2020 due to lack of investor demand. Yellen took it up the next year and dropped it for the same reason.
Structural peace in the Middle East? Again not a partisan issue except on certain details (e.g. selling out Western Sahara).
In fact Biden was successfully advancing the big kahuna - Saudi Arabia - until 10/7 blew it up.
I think, as Horace alludes to, her hatred of wokeness has gotten visceral. What do you do in order to ‘own’ woke people? Inflict the orange man on them.
She’s forgetting that Trump brings more woke, not less.
Woke recedes when centrist dems push it away.
Think of the opposite case, imagine electing a President AOC. That may ‘own’ the Maga crowd in the moment, but it would bring more Maga in response, not less.
@jon-nyc said in The Hypocrisy of the Progressive Left: Israel vs Hamas Edition:
“So much of the work that happened in that [Trump] administration turns out to have been right. And that’s what is so frustrating for me. The work on the border wall? We didn’t like the messenger, so we killed the message. Turned out it was right. Issuing long-term debt to refinance when rates were at zero? We didn’t like the messenger, so we killed the message. A structural peace in the Middle East? We didn’t like the messenger, so we killed the message.”
First one I’ll agree.
50 and 100 year bonds? Wasn’t partisan at all and Mnuchen gave up on the idea in 2020 due to lack of investor demand. Yellen took it up the next year and dropped it for the same reason.
Structural peace in the Middle East? Again not a partisan issue except on certain details (e.g. selling out Western Sahara).
In fact Biden was successfully advancing the big kahuna - Saudi Arabia - until 10/7 blew it up.
I think, as Horace alludes to, her hatred of wokeness has gotten visceral. What do you do in order to ‘own’ woke people? Inflict the orange man on them.
She’s forgetting that Trump brings more woke, not less.
Woke recedes when centrist dems push it away.
Think of the opposite case, imagine electing a President AOC. That may ‘own’ the Maga crowd in the moment, but it would bring more Maga in response, not less.
Interesting analysis. What does a visceral hatred of Trump and his supporters bring?
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I suppose it would make one go woke.
Like visceral hatred of wokeness is pushing her to Magastan in real time.
@jon-nyc said in The Hypocrisy of the Progressive Left: Israel vs Hamas Edition:
I suppose it would make one go woke.
Like visceral hatred of wokeness is pushing her to Magastan in real time.
She listed three policy directions of Trump's that she thinks are good. You don't appear to disagree. I see no reason to pathologize or tribalize her words. I do see how her words can indicate a de-tribalization on her part. She will not be denying 2020 election results any time soon. I'm proud of her that she's no longer scared of saying something positive about Trump.
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@jon-nyc said in The Hypocrisy of the Progressive Left: Israel vs Hamas Edition:
I suppose it would make one go woke.
Like visceral hatred of wokeness is pushing her to Magastan in real time.
She listed three policy directions of Trump's that she thinks are good. You don't appear to disagree. I see no reason to pathologize or tribalize her words. I do see how her words can indicate a de-tribalization on her part. She will not be denying 2020 election results any time soon. I'm proud of her that she's no longer scared of saying something positive about Trump.
@Horace said in The Hypocrisy of the Progressive Left: Israel vs Hamas Edition:
I do see how her words can indicate a de-tribalization on her part.
The reason you know who she is is because she already de-tribalized in the summer of 2020. She quit in the aftermath of the young wokesters cashiering James Bennett and started a sub stack which (with SV funding) became the Free Press.
What you're witnessing now (perhaps) is her re-tribalization. Sometimes that happens, you know.
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she didn't just do that, she went on to say that 'We didn’t like the messenger, so we killed the message' but that isn't true in cases 2 and 3.
@jon-nyc said in The Hypocrisy of the Progressive Left: Israel vs Hamas Edition:
she didn't just do that, she went on to say that 'We didn’t like the messenger, so we killed the message' but that isn't true in cases 2 and 3.
I'm comfortable with her contention that good ideas out of Trump were attacked, strictly due to the association. Whether they ultimately survived those attacks when they came to a vote, is a different question. The "we" she is referring to are presumably journalists, not elected officials.
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@Horace said in The Hypocrisy of the Progressive Left: Israel vs Hamas Edition:
I do see how her words can indicate a de-tribalization on her part.
The reason you know who she is is because she already de-tribalized in the summer of 2020. She quit in the aftermath of the young wokesters cashiering James Bennett and started a sub stack which (with SV funding) became the Free Press.
What you're witnessing now (perhaps) is her re-tribalization. Sometimes that happens, you know.
@jon-nyc said in The Hypocrisy of the Progressive Left: Israel vs Hamas Edition:
@Horace said in The Hypocrisy of the Progressive Left: Israel vs Hamas Edition:
I do see how her words can indicate a de-tribalization on her part.
The reason you know who she is is because she already de-tribalized in the summer of 2020. She quit in the aftermath of the young wokesters cashiering James Bennett and started a sub stack which (with SV funding) became the Free Press.
What you're witnessing now (perhaps) is her re-tribalization. Sometimes that happens, you know.
I'm aware of her history, and her visceral appreciation for free thinking and free speech. People differ in that regard.
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The reason you’re aware of her history is because she already de-tribalized in the summer of 2020.
What you're witnessing now (perhaps) is her re-tribalization. Sometimes that happens, you know.
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The reason you’re aware of her history is because she already de-tribalized in the summer of 2020.
What you're witnessing now (perhaps) is her re-tribalization. Sometimes that happens, you know.
@jon-nyc said in The Hypocrisy of the Progressive Left: Israel vs Hamas Edition:
The reason you’re aware of her history is because she already de-tribalized in the summer of 2020.
What you're witnessing now (perhaps) is her re-tribalization. Sometimes that happens, you know.
The reason I'm aware of her history is because she lived that particular history. If she had not lived that particular history, I would not be aware of that particular history. Point granted.
Saying good and true things about Trump the politician, isn't necessarily a sign of tribalization. I would call it a detribalization, as tribalism often forces people to be selective about the positive things they say. A non-tribal person can give credit where it's due.
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You made me read the actual article. Jolly’s quote isn’t Bari, it’s an author she’s quoting about whom I know nothing.
Bari is just asking people to reply if their politics are changing because of 10/7.
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You made me read the actual article. Jolly’s quote isn’t Bari, it’s an author she’s quoting about whom I know nothing.
Bari is just asking people to reply if their politics are changing because of 10/7.
@jon-nyc said in The Hypocrisy of the Progressive Left: Israel vs Hamas Edition:
You made me read the actual article. Jolly’s quote isn’t Bari, it’s an author she’s quoting about whom I know nothing.
It's partially Bari...
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@jon-nyc said in The Hypocrisy of the Progressive Left: Israel vs Hamas Edition:
You made me read the actual article. Jolly’s quote isn’t Bari, it’s an author she’s quoting about whom I know nothing.
It's partially Bari...
@George-K said in The Hypocrisy of the Progressive Left: Israel vs Hamas Edition:
@jon-nyc said in The Hypocrisy of the Progressive Left: Israel vs Hamas Edition:
You made me read the actual article. Jolly’s quote isn’t Bari, it’s an author she’s quoting about whom I know nothing.
It's partially Bari...
True but the specifics of what Horace and I were discussing (Bari's de- or re-tribalization) was based on things the guy said, not Bari.
