The Hypocrisy of the Progressive Left: Israel vs Hamas Edition
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@jon-nyc said in The Hypocrisy of the Progressive Left: Israel vs Hamas Edition:
I suppose it would make one go woke.
Like visceral hatred of wokeness is pushing her to Magastan in real time.
She listed three policy directions of Trump's that she thinks are good. You don't appear to disagree. I see no reason to pathologize or tribalize her words. I do see how her words can indicate a de-tribalization on her part. She will not be denying 2020 election results any time soon. I'm proud of her that she's no longer scared of saying something positive about Trump.
wrote on 25 Oct 2023, 22:26 last edited by jon-nyc@Horace said in The Hypocrisy of the Progressive Left: Israel vs Hamas Edition:
I do see how her words can indicate a de-tribalization on her part.
The reason you know who she is is because she already de-tribalized in the summer of 2020. She quit in the aftermath of the young wokesters cashiering James Bennett and started a sub stack which (with SV funding) became the Free Press.
What you're witnessing now (perhaps) is her re-tribalization. Sometimes that happens, you know.
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she didn't just do that, she went on to say that 'We didn’t like the messenger, so we killed the message' but that isn't true in cases 2 and 3.
wrote on 25 Oct 2023, 22:29 last edited by@jon-nyc said in The Hypocrisy of the Progressive Left: Israel vs Hamas Edition:
she didn't just do that, she went on to say that 'We didn’t like the messenger, so we killed the message' but that isn't true in cases 2 and 3.
I'm comfortable with her contention that good ideas out of Trump were attacked, strictly due to the association. Whether they ultimately survived those attacks when they came to a vote, is a different question. The "we" she is referring to are presumably journalists, not elected officials.
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@Horace said in The Hypocrisy of the Progressive Left: Israel vs Hamas Edition:
I do see how her words can indicate a de-tribalization on her part.
The reason you know who she is is because she already de-tribalized in the summer of 2020. She quit in the aftermath of the young wokesters cashiering James Bennett and started a sub stack which (with SV funding) became the Free Press.
What you're witnessing now (perhaps) is her re-tribalization. Sometimes that happens, you know.
wrote on 25 Oct 2023, 22:30 last edited by@jon-nyc said in The Hypocrisy of the Progressive Left: Israel vs Hamas Edition:
@Horace said in The Hypocrisy of the Progressive Left: Israel vs Hamas Edition:
I do see how her words can indicate a de-tribalization on her part.
The reason you know who she is is because she already de-tribalized in the summer of 2020. She quit in the aftermath of the young wokesters cashiering James Bennett and started a sub stack which (with SV funding) became the Free Press.
What you're witnessing now (perhaps) is her re-tribalization. Sometimes that happens, you know.
I'm aware of her history, and her visceral appreciation for free thinking and free speech. People differ in that regard.
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wrote on 25 Oct 2023, 22:55 last edited by jon-nyc
The reason you’re aware of her history is because she already de-tribalized in the summer of 2020.
What you're witnessing now (perhaps) is her re-tribalization. Sometimes that happens, you know.
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The reason you’re aware of her history is because she already de-tribalized in the summer of 2020.
What you're witnessing now (perhaps) is her re-tribalization. Sometimes that happens, you know.
wrote on 25 Oct 2023, 22:59 last edited by@jon-nyc said in The Hypocrisy of the Progressive Left: Israel vs Hamas Edition:
The reason you’re aware of her history is because she already de-tribalized in the summer of 2020.
What you're witnessing now (perhaps) is her re-tribalization. Sometimes that happens, you know.
The reason I'm aware of her history is because she lived that particular history. If she had not lived that particular history, I would not be aware of that particular history. Point granted.
Saying good and true things about Trump the politician, isn't necessarily a sign of tribalization. I would call it a detribalization, as tribalism often forces people to be selective about the positive things they say. A non-tribal person can give credit where it's due.
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wrote on 25 Oct 2023, 23:11 last edited by
You made me read the actual article. Jolly’s quote isn’t Bari, it’s an author she’s quoting about whom I know nothing.
Bari is just asking people to reply if their politics are changing because of 10/7.
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You made me read the actual article. Jolly’s quote isn’t Bari, it’s an author she’s quoting about whom I know nothing.
Bari is just asking people to reply if their politics are changing because of 10/7.
wrote on 25 Oct 2023, 23:23 last edited by@jon-nyc said in The Hypocrisy of the Progressive Left: Israel vs Hamas Edition:
You made me read the actual article. Jolly’s quote isn’t Bari, it’s an author she’s quoting about whom I know nothing.
It's partially Bari...
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wrote on 26 Oct 2023, 01:09 last edited by
And he quotes Konstantin Kissin, known heterodox podcast host.
Deeply unsettling.
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@jon-nyc said in The Hypocrisy of the Progressive Left: Israel vs Hamas Edition:
You made me read the actual article. Jolly’s quote isn’t Bari, it’s an author she’s quoting about whom I know nothing.
It's partially Bari...
wrote on 26 Oct 2023, 01:14 last edited by@George-K said in The Hypocrisy of the Progressive Left: Israel vs Hamas Edition:
@jon-nyc said in The Hypocrisy of the Progressive Left: Israel vs Hamas Edition:
You made me read the actual article. Jolly’s quote isn’t Bari, it’s an author she’s quoting about whom I know nothing.
It's partially Bari...
True but the specifics of what Horace and I were discussing (Bari's de- or re-tribalization) was based on things the guy said, not Bari.
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wrote on 26 Oct 2023, 01:15 last edited by
I can't unfeel my feelings. In my heart, she has said good and true things about Trump.
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wrote on 26 Oct 2023, 01:19 last edited by
You know, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar...