Hamas attacks Israel
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Lots of evidence that the hospital event was not an IDF strike.
No impact crater.
Tass video shows building remarkably intact - other than shattered glass.IDF has released audio of the convo allegedly by jihadi forces talking about how it was one of theirs.
The timing is...suspicious. Hamas releases statement that they're launching rockets into Israel, and the hit occurs 10 minutes later.
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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NYT, paper of record.
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@George-K said in Hamas attacks Israel:
Lots of evidence that the hospital event was not an IDF strike.
No impact crater.
Tass video shows building remarkably intact - other than shattered glass.IDF has released audio of the convo allegedly by jihadi forces talking about how it was one of theirs.
The timing is...suspicious. Hamas releases statement that they're launching rockets into Israel, and the hit occurs 10 minutes later.
Yes, but there are a few issues.
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An Israeli SPOX almost immediately announced that the IDF had launched an attack on a hospital that was being used as a cover by Hamas. Now, it’s very possible that in the confusion of the moment Israeli officials were confused and went into CYA mode, but it doesn’t help the current situation.
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The initial video posted by the IDF would appear to be from an event in 2021. The IDF has now removed that video.
Ultimately, I don’t believe the needle has been moved an iota in terms of public sentiment and support.
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"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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@George-K said in Hamas attacks Israel:
In the "lets walk through it" post, above, there's drone fottage.
I'm reading that it hit a parking lot. To say that the IDF targeted a parking lot is sketchy, unless, of course, they had intel that a high-value target was there.
No doubt in my mind on either score, but the initial drone footage appears to be recycled and has been removed. I can certainly understand somebody seeing “drone footage missile strike hospital” and loading the wrong video, but again it provides fodder for those that don’t believe Israel.
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Nobody posted videos of massive pro-Israel rallies where they are calling for the mass murder of Palestinians that I am aware of. It kind of hurts the argument that your cause is the moral and righteous one.
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@LuFins-Dad said in Hamas attacks Israel:
it provides fodder for those that don’t believe
Brit Hume:
"Do you think those who signed the letter about the Hunter Biden laptop would be willing to say the claim that Israel bombed that Gaza hospital has "all the earmarks" of Hamas propaganda?"
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Biden quoted here as saying his determination of responsibility comes from information given to him by the pentagon, and not necessarily Israeli data.
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@bachophile said in Hamas attacks Israel:
Biden quoted here as saying his determination of responsibility comes from information given to him by the pentagon, and not necessarily Israeli data.
Please don’t misunderstand me. I am absolutely convinced in Israel’s moral standing in this conflict as well as the overarching issues. I am just stating that there seem to have been errors in Israel’s initial response, which opens up room for doubt among those that naturally are inclined to believe the Palestinian groups over Israel. To them, Biden’s statement is just further evidence of the illicit corruption and vile partnership between Israel and the US.
Seeing the reactions by so many of the Palestinians in the US as well as the other Islamic communities, and their absolute assurance that the US is not only complicit, but fully evil and to be reviled, I have to wonder why they are here.
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@bachophile said in Hamas attacks Israel:
Biden quoted here as saying his determination of responsibility comes from information given to him by the pentagon, and not necessarily Israeli data.
As it should be for any POTUS. Biden is quite right in making that statement regardless how those cheering for Hamas take or twist it.
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https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2023/10/18/identifying-possible-crater-from-gaza-hospital-blast/
Independent fact checker believes they have identified impact site, and details of the crater doesn’t match what one would expect from IDF munitions…
I wonder if they can determine direction?
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The U.S. has collected “high confidence” signals intelligence showing that the explosion at a Gaza hospital compound on Tuesday was caused by the militant group Palestinian Islamic Jihad, U.S. officials said, buttressing Israel’s contention that it wasn’t responsible for the blast.
The U.S. assessment drew, in part, on communications intercepts and other intelligence gathered by the U.S., defense officials said.
“Our current assessment, based on analysis of overhead imagery, intercepts and open source information, is that Israel is not responsible for the explosion at the hospital in Gaza,” White House National Security Council spokeswoman Adrienne Watson said, adding that the U.S. continues to collect information on the incident.
I wonder if these "squad" members will retract their Xeets.
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