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    Jolly
    wrote on 7 Oct 2023, 15:22 last edited by
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    Thought for the day?

    Look at what $6B will buy!

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • G George K
      7 Oct 2023, 11:24

      I've posted from this guy's feed before.

      Think there's anything to it?

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      Renauda
      wrote on 7 Oct 2023, 16:24 last edited by Renauda 10 Jul 2023, 16:25
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      @George-K said in Hamas attacks Israel:

      I've posted from this guy's feed before.

      Think there's anything to it?

      It’s possible however I believe they could have been trained by other source just as easily. Don’t forget that in the turmoil of the Syrian civil war there were not only Russians but Muslim “volunteers” from all over who had received military training from abroad. However in the case of Hamas, the Chechens come immediately to mind since they are Sunnis and therefore closer to Hamas than say, Hezbollah which is Shi’ite.

      Elbows up!

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        George K
        wrote on 7 Oct 2023, 16:24 last edited by George K 10 Jul 2023, 16:25
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        "You want rockets? OK, I'll give you rockets."

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          George K
          wrote on 7 Oct 2023, 16:46 last edited by
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          Good lord.

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            jon-nyc
            wrote on 7 Oct 2023, 17:18 last edited by
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            Well, it quiets the opposition for a while but this is one of the biggest Israeli intelligence failures in decades and it’s on his watch.

            "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
            -Cormac McCarthy

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            • J jon-nyc
              7 Oct 2023, 17:18

              Well, it quiets the opposition for a while but this is one of the biggest Israeli intelligence failures in decades and it’s on his watch.

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              Renauda
              wrote on 7 Oct 2023, 17:31 last edited by
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              @jon-nyc

              Good point. Hamas did not launch this offensive on the spur of the moment. At the very least, the planning stage would have to extend back to several months.

              Elbows up!

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              • J Jolly
                7 Oct 2023, 15:22

                Thought for the day?

                Look at what $6B will buy!

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                jon-nyc
                wrote on 7 Oct 2023, 17:31 last edited by
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                @Jolly said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                Thought for the day?

                Look at what $6B will buy!

                "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                -Cormac McCarthy

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                  Jolly
                  wrote on 7 Oct 2023, 17:42 last edited by
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                  1. It is $6B.
                  2. Qatar is/has released it to Iran, if I understand correctly.
                  3. It is supposedly for humanitarian aid. If you believe that, stand on your head and wiggle your ears.

                  https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/9/12/biden-administration-clears-path-to-transfer-6bn-in-iranian-assets

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    jon-nyc
                    wrote on 7 Oct 2023, 18:00 last edited by jon-nyc 10 Jul 2023, 18:00
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                    You understand incorrectly. It is held in restricted accounts in Qatar, spending is limited to humanitarian purposes and the international community, including the US, has oversight of how they get spent. None have been spent yet, so even the fungibility argument won’t work yet.

                    I’m afraid this war just might not be very useful as a domestic political cudgel. Heck, at some point you might just have to comment on the war itself.

                    "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                    -Cormac McCarthy

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                    • J jon-nyc
                      7 Oct 2023, 18:00

                      You understand incorrectly. It is held in restricted accounts in Qatar, spending is limited to humanitarian purposes and the international community, including the US, has oversight of how they get spent. None have been spent yet, so even the fungibility argument won’t work yet.

                      I’m afraid this war just might not be very useful as a domestic political cudgel. Heck, at some point you might just have to comment on the war itself.

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                      Jolly
                      wrote on 7 Oct 2023, 18:19 last edited by Jolly 10 Jul 2023, 18:19
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                      @jon-nyc said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                      You understand incorrectly. It is held in restricted accounts in Qatar, spending is limited to humanitarian purposes and the international community, including the US, has oversight of how they get spent. None have been spent yet, so even the fungibility argument won’t work yet.

                      I’m afraid this war just might not be very useful as a domestic political cudgel. Heck, at some point you might just have to comment on the war itself.

                      I do believe this money will be going to a country who has run a banned nuclear program right under the international community's nose. I have much faith that they can shift and hide money to do whatever they wish with their $6B. Just because we do not agree with their world view or with their politics, does not mean they are stupid.

                      This attack on Israel wasn't planned last week. The number of rockets alone, is staggering. This has been in the works for quite some time. I don't know about HAMAS, but I'm pretty sure the Hezbollah folks have Iranian backing and would not act without Iran's input.

                      As for the attack being a domestic political cudgel, somebody once told me if an event happens during a Presidential term, that President must own it. The buck stops in the Oval Office. Therefore, wave the bloody flag and beat The Resident's ass to a pulp with it. He inherited a situation in the ME, that was as stable as it had been in several years and he's made several missteps. Maybe he can salvage something out of this mess, but I have my doubts...

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      • J Jolly
                        7 Oct 2023, 18:19

                        @jon-nyc said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                        You understand incorrectly. It is held in restricted accounts in Qatar, spending is limited to humanitarian purposes and the international community, including the US, has oversight of how they get spent. None have been spent yet, so even the fungibility argument won’t work yet.

                        I’m afraid this war just might not be very useful as a domestic political cudgel. Heck, at some point you might just have to comment on the war itself.

                        I do believe this money will be going to a country who has run a banned nuclear program right under the international community's nose. I have much faith that they can shift and hide money to do whatever they wish with their $6B. Just because we do not agree with their world view or with their politics, does not mean they are stupid.

                        This attack on Israel wasn't planned last week. The number of rockets alone, is staggering. This has been in the works for quite some time. I don't know about HAMAS, but I'm pretty sure the Hezbollah folks have Iranian backing and would not act without Iran's input.

                        As for the attack being a domestic political cudgel, somebody once told me if an event happens during a Presidential term, that President must own it. The buck stops in the Oval Office. Therefore, wave the bloody flag and beat The Resident's ass to a pulp with it. He inherited a situation in the ME, that was as stable as it had been in several years and he's made several missteps. Maybe he can salvage something out of this mess, but I have my doubts...

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                        jon-nyc
                        wrote on 7 Oct 2023, 18:30 last edited by
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                        @Jolly said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                        This attack on Israel wasn't planned last week. The number of rockets alone, is staggering. This has been in the works for quite some time.

                        All the more reason it’s silly to make a causal connection between the Qatari accounts and this.

                        "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                        -Cormac McCarthy

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                          Jolly
                          wrote on 7 Oct 2023, 18:37 last edited by
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                          I said they weren't stupid. I didn't say they were always logical.

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            bachophile
                            wrote on 7 Oct 2023, 18:54 last edited by
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                            I’ve been all day in the hospital. Just returned. Back again early tomorrow. No time to respond here. But things are tense.

                            All my family are all ok.

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                            • B bachophile
                              7 Oct 2023, 18:54

                              I’ve been all day in the hospital. Just returned. Back again early tomorrow. No time to respond here. But things are tense.

                              All my family are all ok.

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                              LuFins Dad
                              wrote on 7 Oct 2023, 19:01 last edited by
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                              @bachophile said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                              I’ve been all day in the hospital. Just returned. Back again early tomorrow. No time to respond here. But things are tense.

                              All my family are all ok.

                              Glad to hear from you and glad your family is okay. Stay safe.

                              The Brad

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                              • J jon-nyc
                                7 Oct 2023, 18:00

                                You understand incorrectly. It is held in restricted accounts in Qatar, spending is limited to humanitarian purposes and the international community, including the US, has oversight of how they get spent. None have been spent yet, so even the fungibility argument won’t work yet.

                                I’m afraid this war just might not be very useful as a domestic political cudgel. Heck, at some point you might just have to comment on the war itself.

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                                George K
                                wrote on 7 Oct 2023, 20:00 last edited by
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                                @jon-nyc said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                                spending is limited to humanitarian purposes and the international community, including the US, has oversight of how they get spent

                                Someone, apparently, has a differing view of "oversight."

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  Rainman
                                  wrote on 7 Oct 2023, 20:02 last edited by
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                                  Gosh bachophile, I can't imagine living in your world. Stay safe, our thoughts and prayers are with you, and I mean that. I've been tuned into this all morning. Israel is so very tiny on the map. And the Iranian Parliament jumps up and down in unison with their neanderthal group chants. Just sick.

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                                  • G George K
                                    7 Oct 2023, 20:00

                                    @jon-nyc said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                                    spending is limited to humanitarian purposes and the international community, including the US, has oversight of how they get spent

                                    Someone, apparently, has a differing view of "oversight."

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                                    Horace
                                    wrote on 7 Oct 2023, 20:03 last edited by
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                                    @George-K said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                                    @jon-nyc said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                                    spending is limited to humanitarian purposes and the international community, including the US, has oversight of how they get spent

                                    Someone, apparently, has a differing view of "oversight."

                                    "Humanitarian" could easily mean "attack Israel" in that culture.

                                    Education is extremely important.

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                                      George K
                                      wrote on 7 Oct 2023, 20:17 last edited by
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                                      I have no knowledge whether that $6B was fundamental in financing this attack, by the way, and I'm not claiming that it was.

                                      Just that the Iranians seem to think they can do whatever they want with the money, despite what we're told.

                                      Of course, why would we ever distrust the Iranians, right?

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        Horace
                                        wrote on 7 Oct 2023, 20:31 last edited by Horace 10 Jul 2023, 20:31
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                                        Not only is money fungible, different sources of money, allegedly siloed from one another, are also fungible. If a country produces just enough to feed itself, and gets a gift which is just enough to feed itself, it can use the gift to feed itself, and have its own production burning a hole in its pocket.

                                        Education is extremely important.

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                                          George K
                                          wrote on 7 Oct 2023, 20:43 last edited by
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                                          What happened with Iron Dome?

                                          I originally read that it was "overwhelmed." Now I'm seeing stories that it was "down." Was it purposefully disabled to allow the attacks?

                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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