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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
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    #25

    Thought for the day?

    Look at what $6B will buy!

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • George KG George K

      I've posted from this guy's feed before.

      Think there's anything to it?

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      #26

      @George-K said in Hamas attacks Israel:

      I've posted from this guy's feed before.

      Think there's anything to it?

      It’s possible however I believe they could have been trained by other source just as easily. Don’t forget that in the turmoil of the Syrian civil war there were not only Russians but Muslim “volunteers” from all over who had received military training from abroad. However in the case of Hamas, the Chechens come immediately to mind since they are Sunnis and therefore closer to Hamas than say, Hezbollah which is Shi’ite.

      Elbows up!

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      • George KG Offline
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        George K
        wrote on last edited by George K
        #27

        "You want rockets? OK, I'll give you rockets."

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        • George KG Offline
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          George K
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          #28

          Good lord.

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • jon-nycJ Online
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            jon-nyc
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            #29

            Well, it quiets the opposition for a while but this is one of the biggest Israeli intelligence failures in decades and it’s on his watch.

            Only non-witches get due process.

            • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

              Well, it quiets the opposition for a while but this is one of the biggest Israeli intelligence failures in decades and it’s on his watch.

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              Renauda
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              #30

              @jon-nyc

              Good point. Hamas did not launch this offensive on the spur of the moment. At the very least, the planning stage would have to extend back to several months.

              Elbows up!

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              • JollyJ Jolly

                Thought for the day?

                Look at what $6B will buy!

                jon-nycJ Online
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                jon-nyc
                wrote on last edited by
                #31

                @Jolly said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                Thought for the day?

                Look at what $6B will buy!

                Only non-witches get due process.

                • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                • JollyJ Offline
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                  #32
                  1. It is $6B.
                  2. Qatar is/has released it to Iran, if I understand correctly.
                  3. It is supposedly for humanitarian aid. If you believe that, stand on your head and wiggle your ears.

                  https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/9/12/biden-administration-clears-path-to-transfer-6bn-in-iranian-assets

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • jon-nycJ Online
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                    jon-nyc
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                    #33

                    You understand incorrectly. It is held in restricted accounts in Qatar, spending is limited to humanitarian purposes and the international community, including the US, has oversight of how they get spent. None have been spent yet, so even the fungibility argument won’t work yet.

                    I’m afraid this war just might not be very useful as a domestic political cudgel. Heck, at some point you might just have to comment on the war itself.

                    Only non-witches get due process.

                    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                      You understand incorrectly. It is held in restricted accounts in Qatar, spending is limited to humanitarian purposes and the international community, including the US, has oversight of how they get spent. None have been spent yet, so even the fungibility argument won’t work yet.

                      I’m afraid this war just might not be very useful as a domestic political cudgel. Heck, at some point you might just have to comment on the war itself.

                      JollyJ Offline
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                      #34

                      @jon-nyc said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                      You understand incorrectly. It is held in restricted accounts in Qatar, spending is limited to humanitarian purposes and the international community, including the US, has oversight of how they get spent. None have been spent yet, so even the fungibility argument won’t work yet.

                      I’m afraid this war just might not be very useful as a domestic political cudgel. Heck, at some point you might just have to comment on the war itself.

                      I do believe this money will be going to a country who has run a banned nuclear program right under the international community's nose. I have much faith that they can shift and hide money to do whatever they wish with their $6B. Just because we do not agree with their world view or with their politics, does not mean they are stupid.

                      This attack on Israel wasn't planned last week. The number of rockets alone, is staggering. This has been in the works for quite some time. I don't know about HAMAS, but I'm pretty sure the Hezbollah folks have Iranian backing and would not act without Iran's input.

                      As for the attack being a domestic political cudgel, somebody once told me if an event happens during a Presidential term, that President must own it. The buck stops in the Oval Office. Therefore, wave the bloody flag and beat The Resident's ass to a pulp with it. He inherited a situation in the ME, that was as stable as it had been in several years and he's made several missteps. Maybe he can salvage something out of this mess, but I have my doubts...

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      • JollyJ Jolly

                        @jon-nyc said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                        You understand incorrectly. It is held in restricted accounts in Qatar, spending is limited to humanitarian purposes and the international community, including the US, has oversight of how they get spent. None have been spent yet, so even the fungibility argument won’t work yet.

                        I’m afraid this war just might not be very useful as a domestic political cudgel. Heck, at some point you might just have to comment on the war itself.

                        I do believe this money will be going to a country who has run a banned nuclear program right under the international community's nose. I have much faith that they can shift and hide money to do whatever they wish with their $6B. Just because we do not agree with their world view or with their politics, does not mean they are stupid.

                        This attack on Israel wasn't planned last week. The number of rockets alone, is staggering. This has been in the works for quite some time. I don't know about HAMAS, but I'm pretty sure the Hezbollah folks have Iranian backing and would not act without Iran's input.

                        As for the attack being a domestic political cudgel, somebody once told me if an event happens during a Presidential term, that President must own it. The buck stops in the Oval Office. Therefore, wave the bloody flag and beat The Resident's ass to a pulp with it. He inherited a situation in the ME, that was as stable as it had been in several years and he's made several missteps. Maybe he can salvage something out of this mess, but I have my doubts...

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                        jon-nyc
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #35

                        @Jolly said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                        This attack on Israel wasn't planned last week. The number of rockets alone, is staggering. This has been in the works for quite some time.

                        All the more reason it’s silly to make a causal connection between the Qatari accounts and this.

                        Only non-witches get due process.

                        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                        • JollyJ Offline
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                          Jolly
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #36

                          I said they weren't stupid. I didn't say they were always logical.

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            #37

                            I’ve been all day in the hospital. Just returned. Back again early tomorrow. No time to respond here. But things are tense.

                            All my family are all ok.

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                            • bachophileB bachophile

                              I’ve been all day in the hospital. Just returned. Back again early tomorrow. No time to respond here. But things are tense.

                              All my family are all ok.

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                              #38

                              @bachophile said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                              I’ve been all day in the hospital. Just returned. Back again early tomorrow. No time to respond here. But things are tense.

                              All my family are all ok.

                              Glad to hear from you and glad your family is okay. Stay safe.

                              The Brad

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                              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                You understand incorrectly. It is held in restricted accounts in Qatar, spending is limited to humanitarian purposes and the international community, including the US, has oversight of how they get spent. None have been spent yet, so even the fungibility argument won’t work yet.

                                I’m afraid this war just might not be very useful as a domestic political cudgel. Heck, at some point you might just have to comment on the war itself.

                                George KG Offline
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                                George K
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #39

                                @jon-nyc said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                                spending is limited to humanitarian purposes and the international community, including the US, has oversight of how they get spent

                                Someone, apparently, has a differing view of "oversight."

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  Rainman
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                                  Gosh bachophile, I can't imagine living in your world. Stay safe, our thoughts and prayers are with you, and I mean that. I've been tuned into this all morning. Israel is so very tiny on the map. And the Iranian Parliament jumps up and down in unison with their neanderthal group chants. Just sick.

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                                  • George KG George K

                                    @jon-nyc said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                                    spending is limited to humanitarian purposes and the international community, including the US, has oversight of how they get spent

                                    Someone, apparently, has a differing view of "oversight."

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                                    @George-K said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                                    @jon-nyc said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                                    spending is limited to humanitarian purposes and the international community, including the US, has oversight of how they get spent

                                    Someone, apparently, has a differing view of "oversight."

                                    "Humanitarian" could easily mean "attack Israel" in that culture.

                                    Education is extremely important.

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                                    • George KG Offline
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                                      George K
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                                      I have no knowledge whether that $6B was fundamental in financing this attack, by the way, and I'm not claiming that it was.

                                      Just that the Iranians seem to think they can do whatever they want with the money, despite what we're told.

                                      Of course, why would we ever distrust the Iranians, right?

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        Horace
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                                        #43

                                        Not only is money fungible, different sources of money, allegedly siloed from one another, are also fungible. If a country produces just enough to feed itself, and gets a gift which is just enough to feed itself, it can use the gift to feed itself, and have its own production burning a hole in its pocket.

                                        Education is extremely important.

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                                          What happened with Iron Dome?

                                          I originally read that it was "overwhelmed." Now I'm seeing stories that it was "down." Was it purposefully disabled to allow the attacks?

                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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