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  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

    @George-K said in Hamas attacks Israel:

    I've posted from this guy's feed before.

    Think there's anything to it?

    I don’t know, but when I think about who would most want to derail an Israeli-Saudi deal, Iran comes to mind.

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    @jon-nyc said in Hamas attacks Israel:

    an Israeli-Saudi deal

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      Netanyahu will meet Biden and Macron tonight

      Huh? Where? Surely he’s in Israel or urgently on his way.

      Only non-witches get due process.

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      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

        Netanyahu will meet Biden and Macron tonight

        Huh? Where? Surely he’s in Israel or urgently on his way.

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        #18

        Netanyahu will meet Biden and Macron tonight
        Huh? Where? Surely he’s in Israel or urgently on his way.

        https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-762113

        A phone call between Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and US President Joe Biden has been scheduled in light of the current attack on Israel, according to Israeli media.
        Netanyahu is also scheduled to talk with French President Emmanuel Macron.

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          LOL: Russa, RUSSIA, calls for a cease-fire.

          https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-762131

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

              You think this is about stopping a Saudi-Israeli deal? Or something to do with internal politics?

              https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/10/07/israel-gaza-rocket-attack-hamas/

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              @jon-nyc said in Hamas attacks Israel:

              You think this is about stopping a Saudi-Israeli deal? Or something to do with internal politics?

              Other acts of provocation that led to the attack as a retaliation?

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                I've posted from this guy's feed before.

                Think there's anything to it?

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                @George-K said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                I've posted from this guy's feed before.

                Think there's anything to it?

                This guy may blame Russia, but even if Russia wants to create chaos, Hamas still has to actively participate to get to this point.

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                • George KG George K

                  Netanyahu will meet Biden and Macron tonight
                  Huh? Where? Surely he’s in Israel or urgently on his way.

                  https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-762113

                  A phone call between Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and US President Joe Biden has been scheduled in light of the current attack on Israel, according to Israeli media.
                  Netanyahu is also scheduled to talk with French President Emmanuel Macron.

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                  @George-K said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                  Netanyahu will meet Biden and Macron tonight
                  Huh? Where? Surely he’s in Israel or urgently on his way.

                  https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-762113

                  A phone call between Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and US President Joe Biden has been scheduled in light of the current attack on Israel, according to Israeli media.
                  Netanyahu is also scheduled to talk with French President Emmanuel Macron.

                  They should say talk with, not meet with.

                  Only non-witches get due process.

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                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                    @George-K said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                    Netanyahu will meet Biden and Macron tonight
                    Huh? Where? Surely he’s in Israel or urgently on his way.

                    https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-762113

                    A phone call between Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and US President Joe Biden has been scheduled in light of the current attack on Israel, according to Israeli media.
                    Netanyahu is also scheduled to talk with French President Emmanuel Macron.

                    They should say talk with, not meet with.

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                    @jon-nyc said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                    @George-K said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                    Netanyahu will meet Biden and Macron tonight
                    Huh? Where? Surely he’s in Israel or urgently on his way.

                    https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-762113

                    A phone call between Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and US President Joe Biden has been scheduled in light of the current attack on Israel, according to Israeli media.
                    Netanyahu is also scheduled to talk with French President Emmanuel Macron.

                    They should say talk with, not meet with.

                    That might be a lexical slide due to the pandemic. People started to use "meet" in quotes to describe video calls, and I've been noticing more and more people saying fuck it to the quotes and just saying meet.

                    Please love yourself.

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                      Thought for the day?

                      Look at what $6B will buy!

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      • George KG George K

                        I've posted from this guy's feed before.

                        Think there's anything to it?

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                        @George-K said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                        I've posted from this guy's feed before.

                        Think there's anything to it?

                        It’s possible however I believe they could have been trained by other source just as easily. Don’t forget that in the turmoil of the Syrian civil war there were not only Russians but Muslim “volunteers” from all over who had received military training from abroad. However in the case of Hamas, the Chechens come immediately to mind since they are Sunnis and therefore closer to Hamas than say, Hezbollah which is Shi’ite.

                        Elbows up!

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                          #27

                          "You want rockets? OK, I'll give you rockets."

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            Good lord.

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              Well, it quiets the opposition for a while but this is one of the biggest Israeli intelligence failures in decades and it’s on his watch.

                              Only non-witches get due process.

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                              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                Well, it quiets the opposition for a while but this is one of the biggest Israeli intelligence failures in decades and it’s on his watch.

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                                @jon-nyc

                                Good point. Hamas did not launch this offensive on the spur of the moment. At the very least, the planning stage would have to extend back to several months.

                                Elbows up!

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                                • JollyJ Jolly

                                  Thought for the day?

                                  Look at what $6B will buy!

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                                  @Jolly said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                                  Thought for the day?

                                  Look at what $6B will buy!

                                  Only non-witches get due process.

                                  • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                    1. It is $6B.
                                    2. Qatar is/has released it to Iran, if I understand correctly.
                                    3. It is supposedly for humanitarian aid. If you believe that, stand on your head and wiggle your ears.

                                    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/9/12/biden-administration-clears-path-to-transfer-6bn-in-iranian-assets

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                      You understand incorrectly. It is held in restricted accounts in Qatar, spending is limited to humanitarian purposes and the international community, including the US, has oversight of how they get spent. None have been spent yet, so even the fungibility argument won’t work yet.

                                      I’m afraid this war just might not be very useful as a domestic political cudgel. Heck, at some point you might just have to comment on the war itself.

                                      Only non-witches get due process.

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                                      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                        You understand incorrectly. It is held in restricted accounts in Qatar, spending is limited to humanitarian purposes and the international community, including the US, has oversight of how they get spent. None have been spent yet, so even the fungibility argument won’t work yet.

                                        I’m afraid this war just might not be very useful as a domestic political cudgel. Heck, at some point you might just have to comment on the war itself.

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                                        @jon-nyc said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                                        You understand incorrectly. It is held in restricted accounts in Qatar, spending is limited to humanitarian purposes and the international community, including the US, has oversight of how they get spent. None have been spent yet, so even the fungibility argument won’t work yet.

                                        I’m afraid this war just might not be very useful as a domestic political cudgel. Heck, at some point you might just have to comment on the war itself.

                                        I do believe this money will be going to a country who has run a banned nuclear program right under the international community's nose. I have much faith that they can shift and hide money to do whatever they wish with their $6B. Just because we do not agree with their world view or with their politics, does not mean they are stupid.

                                        This attack on Israel wasn't planned last week. The number of rockets alone, is staggering. This has been in the works for quite some time. I don't know about HAMAS, but I'm pretty sure the Hezbollah folks have Iranian backing and would not act without Iran's input.

                                        As for the attack being a domestic political cudgel, somebody once told me if an event happens during a Presidential term, that President must own it. The buck stops in the Oval Office. Therefore, wave the bloody flag and beat The Resident's ass to a pulp with it. He inherited a situation in the ME, that was as stable as it had been in several years and he's made several missteps. Maybe he can salvage something out of this mess, but I have my doubts...

                                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                          @jon-nyc said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                                          You understand incorrectly. It is held in restricted accounts in Qatar, spending is limited to humanitarian purposes and the international community, including the US, has oversight of how they get spent. None have been spent yet, so even the fungibility argument won’t work yet.

                                          I’m afraid this war just might not be very useful as a domestic political cudgel. Heck, at some point you might just have to comment on the war itself.

                                          I do believe this money will be going to a country who has run a banned nuclear program right under the international community's nose. I have much faith that they can shift and hide money to do whatever they wish with their $6B. Just because we do not agree with their world view or with their politics, does not mean they are stupid.

                                          This attack on Israel wasn't planned last week. The number of rockets alone, is staggering. This has been in the works for quite some time. I don't know about HAMAS, but I'm pretty sure the Hezbollah folks have Iranian backing and would not act without Iran's input.

                                          As for the attack being a domestic political cudgel, somebody once told me if an event happens during a Presidential term, that President must own it. The buck stops in the Oval Office. Therefore, wave the bloody flag and beat The Resident's ass to a pulp with it. He inherited a situation in the ME, that was as stable as it had been in several years and he's made several missteps. Maybe he can salvage something out of this mess, but I have my doubts...

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                                          @Jolly said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                                          This attack on Israel wasn't planned last week. The number of rockets alone, is staggering. This has been in the works for quite some time.

                                          All the more reason it’s silly to make a causal connection between the Qatari accounts and this.

                                          Only non-witches get due process.

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