Hamas attacks Israel
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wrote on 12 Oct 2023, 23:42 last edited by Jolly 10 Dec 2023, 23:42
Yeah, but they're McRibs ...
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wrote on 12 Oct 2023, 23:53 last edited by
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A lame duck government leading a war. Hm. That could lead to some strange incentives and a lack of accountability.
wrote on 12 Oct 2023, 23:54 last edited by Renauda@Horace said in Hamas attacks Israel:
A lame duck government leading a war. Hm. That could lead to some strange incentives and a lack of accountability.
Israel is a parliamentary democracy, not a republic. As such there is no such thing as a lame duck government as in a US/republican governance but rather, in the case of Israel, a coalition of cooperating parties. More accountability not less. If Bibi’s Likud had an absolute majority then you would be correct, there would be a door open for a lack of accountability. At least until the next election.
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wrote on 12 Oct 2023, 23:56 last edited by George K 10 Dec 2023, 23:59
Former PM Bennett deals with a reporter:
Link to videoWatch the reporter get progressively more uncomfortable and start shifting around in his seat.
If nothing else go to 4:00.
"What the hell is wrong with you?"
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Today, senior Hamas official Ali Baraka, in an interview on an Arabic-language TV station, boasted that the terrorist organization had been planning the attack for two years.
“The zero hour was kept completely secret. . . . Hamas leaders knew it. The number of people who knew about the attack and its timing could be counted on one hand.”
The fact that Hamas kept this secret is arguably Israel’s most serious failure. Israeli intelligence agencies—the Mossad, the Shin Bet, and the Military Intelligence Directorate (Aman)—are seen as world-beating institutions. Only a few years ago, they located and stole Iran’s nuclear archives right from under the noses of the ayatollahs. Israel invests billions in tracking every movement of every presumed terrorist in Gaza. But somehow they missed this.
One reason why is that Israel hasn’t had a physical presence or human agents in Gaza since its unilateral withdrawal from the region in 2005. Most of its tracking today is done by signals intelligence. So Hamas likely avoided using any electronic devices to communicate plans of their attack. And, as Baraka said, they kept the plan highly compartmentalized within Hamas ranks, with gunmen told only a small piece of the puzzle, to prevent a leak.
This shows impressive operational discipline on Hamas’s part, and it will require Israel to restructure its intelligence apparatus once this war is over. The fact that—as of Wednesday night in Israel—the IDF has still not entered Gaza shows they’re remaining cautious, because what else might they be missing?
The breakdown in Israel’s physical defenses was its second big failure. Over the years, Israel has invested billions of dollars in barriers—above and below ground—in addition to sophisticated sensors, cameras, radars, and remote-control guns that were supposed to stop anyone from entering Israel through the fence or via cross-border tunnels.
And yet, Hamas proved these defensive measures were not just penetrable, but nothing more than a nuisance. The terrorist organization released videos showing their gunmen breaking through with ease, cutting holes in the barrier so big that pickup trucks could drive right across. They sent in drones, paragliders, and navy forces under the cover of rocket barrages, while bombing Israel’s remote-control guns from above.
There are more analyses at the link.
Most telling: “The Israelis are known to love life,” he continued. “We, on the other hand, sacrifice ourselves. We consider our dead to be martyrs. The thing any Palestinian desires the most is to be martyred for the sake of Allah, defending his land.”
wrote on 13 Oct 2023, 01:42 last edited by@George-K said in Hamas attacks Israel:
...Hamas likely avoided using any electronic devices to communicate plans of their attack.
Something came across me that said that when they did use electronic communication, they assumed they were all monitored by Israel an put out false information on them.
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wrote on 13 Oct 2023, 11:18 last edited by George K
The IDF has notified Gaza that citizens have 24 hours (ending about 21:00 CDT) to evacuate the northern part of the area.
And then things will get serious-er.
Granted the distances aren't huge, but we're still talking about a million people.
Meanwhile Hamas is saying "Stay in your homes."
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wrote on 13 Oct 2023, 11:30 last edited by
Hamas wants the PR value.
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wrote on 13 Oct 2023, 13:05 last edited by
Wow this is hard to read.
https://dnyuz.com/2023/10/12/i-hope-someone-somewhere-is-being-kind-to-my-boy/
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Wow this is hard to read.
https://dnyuz.com/2023/10/12/i-hope-someone-somewhere-is-being-kind-to-my-boy/
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wrote on 13 Oct 2023, 16:00 last edited by
Israel has dropped thousands of papers over downtown gaza city telling them they have 24 hours to evacuate (I think that was like 12 hours ago), with a map showing a line of where they need to move beyond (aka south towards Egypt, to the southern part of the Gaza strip). Anyway... it's usually what happens before a town is about to get absolutely leveled. Could happen tomorrow?
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wrote on 13 Oct 2023, 16:02 last edited by
Probably ground invasion starts tomorrow.
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wrote on 13 Oct 2023, 16:03 last edited by
I assume Hamas will force people to stay put? Die if you stay, die if you try to leave?
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wrote on 13 Oct 2023, 16:05 last edited by Horace
I am guessing non-combatants in Gaza who hunker down and are found by Israeli soldiers, will be ok. The danger to them will be their use as human shields by Hamas.
Then there is the issue of what Hamas does to the Gaza civilians after Israel leaves. Will there be inquisitions about whether they fought back?
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wrote on 13 Oct 2023, 18:04 last edited by
I don't know what the Israelis are going to do, but I wonder whether a lot of civilians will curtail their artillery and guided munitions...
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wrote on 13 Oct 2023, 18:21 last edited by
@jon-nyc said in Hamas attacks Israel:
Probably ground invasion starts tomorrow.
They’ve already started ground recon. Looking for hostages?
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I am guessing non-combatants in Gaza who hunker down and are found by Israeli soldiers, will be ok. The danger to them will be their use as human shields by Hamas.
Then there is the issue of what Hamas does to the Gaza civilians after Israel leaves. Will there be inquisitions about whether they fought back?
wrote on 13 Oct 2023, 19:40 last edited by RenaudaThen there is the issue of what Hamas does to the Gaza civilians after Israel leaves. Will there be inquisitions about whether they fought back?
Should not even be an issue.
The objective is to annihilate Hamas once and for all.
There will be no Hamas to seek revenge on anyone let alone the residents of Gaza.
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wrote on 13 Oct 2023, 22:03 last edited by
