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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
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    #294

    Hamas with IDF uniforms...

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • JollyJ Jolly
      1. It is $6B.
      2. Qatar is/has released it to Iran, if I understand correctly.
      3. It is supposedly for humanitarian aid. If you believe that, stand on your head and wiggle your ears.

      https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/9/12/biden-administration-clears-path-to-transfer-6bn-in-iranian-assets

      AxtremusA Offline
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      Axtremus
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      #295

      @Jolly said in Hamas attacks Israel:

      1. It is $6B.
      2. Qatar is/has released it to Iran, if I understand correctly.
      3. It is supposedly for humanitarian aid. ...

      About that $6B ...

      https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2023/10/12/iran-oil-fund-us-israel/

      U.S. officials and the Qatari government have agreed to stop Iran from accessing a $6 billion account for humanitarian assistance in light of Hamas’s attack on Israel, ...

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      • MikM Offline
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        Mik
        wrote on last edited by
        #296

        Good.

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        • jon-nycJ Offline
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          jon-nyc
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          #297

          Only non-witches get due process.

          • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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          • HoraceH Offline
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            Horace
            wrote on last edited by
            #298

            A lame duck government leading a war. Hm. That could lead to some strange incentives and a lack of accountability.

            Education is extremely important.

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              jon-nyc
              wrote on last edited by
              #299

              Only non-witches get due process.

              • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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              • George KG Offline
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                George K
                wrote on last edited by
                #300

                Now it's getting serious...

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                • JollyJ Offline
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                  Jolly
                  wrote on last edited by Jolly
                  #301

                  Yeah, but they're McRibs ...

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • JollyJ Jolly

                    Yeah, but they're McRibs ...

                    George KG Offline
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                    George K
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                    @Jolly said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                    Yeah, but they're McRibs ...

                    alt text

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • HoraceH Horace

                      A lame duck government leading a war. Hm. That could lead to some strange incentives and a lack of accountability.

                      RenaudaR Offline
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                      Renauda
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                      #303

                      @Horace said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                      A lame duck government leading a war. Hm. That could lead to some strange incentives and a lack of accountability.

                      Israel is a parliamentary democracy, not a republic. As such there is no such thing as a lame duck government as in a US/republican governance but rather, in the case of Israel, a coalition of cooperating parties. More accountability not less. If Bibi’s Likud had an absolute majority then you would be correct, there would be a door open for a lack of accountability. At least until the next election.

                      Elbows up!

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                      • George KG Offline
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                        George K
                        wrote on last edited by George K
                        #304

                        Former PM Bennett deals with a reporter:

                        Link to video

                        Watch the reporter get progressively more uncomfortable and start shifting around in his seat.

                        If nothing else go to 4:00.

                        "What the hell is wrong with you?"

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • George KG George K

                          How Israel Got Ambushed


                          Today, senior Hamas official Ali Baraka, in an interview on an Arabic-language TV station, boasted that the terrorist organization had been planning the attack for two years.

                          “The zero hour was kept completely secret. . . . Hamas leaders knew it. The number of people who knew about the attack and its timing could be counted on one hand.”

                          The fact that Hamas kept this secret is arguably Israel’s most serious failure. Israeli intelligence agencies—the Mossad, the Shin Bet, and the Military Intelligence Directorate (Aman)—are seen as world-beating institutions. Only a few years ago, they located and stole Iran’s nuclear archives right from under the noses of the ayatollahs. Israel invests billions in tracking every movement of every presumed terrorist in Gaza. But somehow they missed this.

                          One reason why is that Israel hasn’t had a physical presence or human agents in Gaza since its unilateral withdrawal from the region in 2005. Most of its tracking today is done by signals intelligence. So Hamas likely avoided using any electronic devices to communicate plans of their attack. And, as Baraka said, they kept the plan highly compartmentalized within Hamas ranks, with gunmen told only a small piece of the puzzle, to prevent a leak.

                          This shows impressive operational discipline on Hamas’s part, and it will require Israel to restructure its intelligence apparatus once this war is over. The fact that—as of Wednesday night in Israel—the IDF has still not entered Gaza shows they’re remaining cautious, because what else might they be missing?

                          The breakdown in Israel’s physical defenses was its second big failure. Over the years, Israel has invested billions of dollars in barriers—above and below ground—in addition to sophisticated sensors, cameras, radars, and remote-control guns that were supposed to stop anyone from entering Israel through the fence or via cross-border tunnels.

                          And yet, Hamas proved these defensive measures were not just penetrable, but nothing more than a nuisance. The terrorist organization released videos showing their gunmen breaking through with ease, cutting holes in the barrier so big that pickup trucks could drive right across. They sent in drones, paragliders, and navy forces under the cover of rocket barrages, while bombing Israel’s remote-control guns from above.


                          There are more analyses at the link.

                          Most telling: “The Israelis are known to love life,” he continued. “We, on the other hand, sacrifice ourselves. We consider our dead to be martyrs. The thing any Palestinian desires the most is to be martyred for the sake of Allah, defending his land.”

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                          taiwan_girl
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                          @George-K said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                          ...Hamas likely avoided using any electronic devices to communicate plans of their attack.

                          Something came across me that said that when they did use electronic communication, they assumed they were all monitored by Israel an put out false information on them.

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                          • George KG Offline
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                            George K
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                            #306

                            The IDF has notified Gaza that citizens have 24 hours (ending about 21:00 CDT) to evacuate the northern part of the area.

                            And then things will get serious-er.

                            Granted the distances aren't huge, but we're still talking about a million people.

                            Meanwhile Hamas is saying "Stay in your homes."

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            • JollyJ Offline
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                              Jolly
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #307

                              Hamas wants the PR value.

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              • George KG Offline
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                                George K
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #308

                                The day of jihad.

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                • jon-nycJ Offline
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                                  jon-nyc
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                                  #309

                                  Wow this is hard to read.

                                  https://dnyuz.com/2023/10/12/i-hope-someone-somewhere-is-being-kind-to-my-boy/

                                  Only non-witches get due process.

                                  • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                    Wow this is hard to read.

                                    https://dnyuz.com/2023/10/12/i-hope-someone-somewhere-is-being-kind-to-my-boy/

                                    MikM Offline
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                                    Mik
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #310

                                    @jon-nyc I cannot begin to imagine the whirlwind of emotions he must be feeling.

                                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                      89th
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                                      Israel has dropped thousands of papers over downtown gaza city telling them they have 24 hours to evacuate (I think that was like 12 hours ago), with a map showing a line of where they need to move beyond (aka south towards Egypt, to the southern part of the Gaza strip). Anyway... it's usually what happens before a town is about to get absolutely leveled. Could happen tomorrow?

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                                        jon-nyc
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                                        #312

                                        Probably ground invasion starts tomorrow.

                                        Only non-witches get due process.

                                        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                          Rainman
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                                          I assume Hamas will force people to stay put? Die if you stay, die if you try to leave?

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