Hamas attacks Israel
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wrote on 10 Oct 2023, 19:54 last edited by
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@Jolly said in Hamas attacks Israel:
There is a solution. At least in some part.
Think Carthage
I think they want to eliminate Hamas, not commit genocide on 2MM people including a million children.
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@Jolly said in Hamas attacks Israel:
There is a solution. At least in some part.
Think Carthage
I think they want to eliminate Hamas, not commit genocide on 2MM people including a million children.
wrote on 10 Oct 2023, 20:16 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Hamas attacks Israel:
I think they want to eliminate Hamas, not commit genocide on 2MM people including a million children.
Yes, but how do they do that without significant collateral damage?
I've read that half the population of Gaza is under age 17.
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just a short comment.
i dont know if anyone heard Bidens statement today from the WH. worth a listen.
people here were deeply moved.
time for bed for me, i follow the thread but not always up to commenting, the depth of the tragedy is still sinking inwrote on 10 Oct 2023, 20:42 last edited by@bachophile said in Hamas attacks Israel:
just a short comment.
i dont know if anyone heard Bidens statement today from the WH. worth a listen.
people here were deeply moved.
time for bed for me, i follow the thread but not always up to commenting, the depth of the tragedy is still sinking inI think this is it:
Link to video
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@Jolly said in Hamas attacks Israel:
There is a solution. At least in some part.
Think Carthage
I think they want to eliminate Hamas, not commit genocide on 2MM people including a million children.
wrote on 10 Oct 2023, 20:58 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Hamas attacks Israel:
@Jolly said in Hamas attacks Israel:
There is a solution. At least in some part.
Think Carthage
I think they want to eliminate Hamas, not commit genocide on 2MM people including a million children.
You forgot sowing the ground with salt.
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wrote on 10 Oct 2023, 21:03 last edited by
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@jon-nyc said in Hamas attacks Israel:
I think they want to eliminate Hamas, not commit genocide on 2MM people including a million children.
Yes, but how do they do that without significant collateral damage?
I've read that half the population of Gaza is under age 17.
wrote on 10 Oct 2023, 21:07 last edited by@George-K said in Hamas attacks Israel:
I've read that half the population of Gaza is under age 17.
That's kind of what Rumsfeld spoke of when he was pondering the impact of our intervention in Afghanistan - i.e. sowing seeds of the next generation's combatants/martyrs for the cause.
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@jon-nyc said in Hamas attacks Israel:
@Jolly said in Hamas attacks Israel:
There is a solution. At least in some part.
Think Carthage
I think they want to eliminate Hamas, not commit genocide on 2MM people including a million children.
You forgot sowing the ground with salt.
wrote on 10 Oct 2023, 21:13 last edited by@Jolly said in Hamas attacks Israel:
@jon-nyc said in Hamas attacks Israel:
@Jolly said in Hamas attacks Israel:
There is a solution. At least in some part.
Think Carthage
I think they want to eliminate Hamas, not commit genocide on 2MM people including a million children.
You forgot sowing the ground with salt.
Seriously, if the problem could be solved by eradicating them, all the way down to the beasts in the field, I'd flick the switch. Israel can invade, they can kill thousands, they can turn the majority of buildings into rubble.
It won't fix this problem.
The only time a faction hasn't taken up the sword, is when that faction no longer exists.
Maybe the only solution is the Second Coming.
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just a short comment.
i dont know if anyone heard Bidens statement today from the WH. worth a listen.
people here were deeply moved.
time for bed for me, i follow the thread but not always up to commenting, the depth of the tragedy is still sinking inwrote on 10 Oct 2023, 21:47 last edited by@bachophile said in Hamas attacks Israel:
just a short comment.
i dont know if anyone heard Bidens statement today from the WH. worth a listen.
people here were deeply moved.
time for bed for me, i follow the thread but not always up to commenting, the depth of the tragedy is still sinking inI haven’t been online much as I’m travelin with work, but I’m very relieved you’re unhurt. I hope you and your family can stay safe - I’ve been thinking of you throughout this awful tragedy.
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@Jolly said in Hamas attacks Israel:
@jon-nyc said in Hamas attacks Israel:
@Jolly said in Hamas attacks Israel:
There is a solution. At least in some part.
Think Carthage
I think they want to eliminate Hamas, not commit genocide on 2MM people including a million children.
You forgot sowing the ground with salt.
Seriously, if the problem could be solved by eradicating them, all the way down to the beasts in the field, I'd flick the switch. Israel can invade, they can kill thousands, they can turn the majority of buildings into rubble.
It won't fix this problem.
The only time a faction hasn't taken up the sword, is when that faction no longer exists.
Maybe the only solution is the Second Coming.
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I wonder what percentage of Americans would favor a genocidal solution. And, of those, I wonder what percentage go to church on Sundays.
wrote on 10 Oct 2023, 22:35 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Hamas attacks Israel:
I wonder what percentage of Americans would favor a genocidal solution. And, of those, I wonder what percentage go to church on Sundays.
Offhand I can think of a few.
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wrote on 10 Oct 2023, 22:58 last edited by
I doubt any of them go to church on Sundays.
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@George-K said in Hamas attacks Israel:
I've read that half the population of Gaza is under age 17.
That's kind of what Rumsfeld spoke of when he was pondering the impact of our intervention in Afghanistan - i.e. sowing seeds of the next generation's combatants/martyrs for the cause.
wrote on 10 Oct 2023, 23:05 last edited by@kluurs said in Hamas attacks Israel:
@George-K said in Hamas attacks Israel:
I've read that half the population of Gaza is under age 17.
That's kind of what Rumsfeld spoke of when he was pondering the impact of our intervention in Afghanistan - i.e. sowing seeds of the next generation's combatants/martyrs for the cause.
Appeasement leads to the exact same outcome and some other crap besides.
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wrote on 10 Oct 2023, 23:06 last edited by Copper 10 Oct 2023, 23:07
@jon-nyc said in Hamas attacks Israel:
I doubt any of them go to church on Sundays.
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I wonder what percentage of Americans would favor a genocidal solution. And, of those, I wonder what percentage go to church on Sundays.
wrote on 10 Oct 2023, 23:10 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Hamas attacks Israel:
I wonder what percentage of Americans would favor a genocidal solution. And, of those, I wonder what percentage go to church on Sundays.
The OT is part of the Bible. Jesus came to fulfill the law, not to break it. While we do live in an Age of Grace, that doesn't mean that the God of the OT is not the God of the NT. There is more than one instance in the OT where God has allowed the Jews to kill their enemies, even unto the beasts of the field.
Might want to spend a little time reading the Bible.
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wrote on 10 Oct 2023, 23:20 last edited by
OT God also found it necessary to see the Kingdom of Israel broken and scattered with many taken into slavery on more than one occasion. So I’m going to cast my eyes to the NT, for direction.
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wrote on 10 Oct 2023, 23:34 last edited by
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OT God also found it necessary to see the Kingdom of Israel broken and scattered with many taken into slavery on more than one occasion. So I’m going to cast my eyes to the NT, for direction.
wrote on 10 Oct 2023, 23:56 last edited by Jolly 10 Nov 2023, 00:08@LuFins-Dad said in Hamas attacks Israel:
OT God also found it necessary to see the Kingdom of Israel broken and scattered with many taken into slavery on more than one occasion. So I’m going to cast my eyes to the NT, for direction.
Because they did not obey His Will.
What did God tell the Israelites to do to the Canaanites?
Or given a more pertinent illustration to the current invasion of Israel...Just after the Israelites crossed the Red Sea, they were attacked by the Amalekites.
Exodus 17:14 And the LORD said unto Moses, Write this for a memorial in a book, and rehearse it in the ears of Joshua: for I will utterly put out the remembrance of Amalek from under heaven.
Later on, Moses tell the Israelites to wipe them out.
God is Merciful. God is Love. God can also deliver terrible Judgement, if so warranted.
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wrote on 11 Oct 2023, 00:07 last edited by
So is this one of the times that they are to follow God’s command by smiting and destroying their enemies? Or is this one of the times they are supposed to be broken and scattered for not following God’s command? Or are they supposed to turn the other cheek? I’m confused.
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So is this one of the times that they are to follow God’s command by smiting and destroying their enemies? Or is this one of the times they are supposed to be broken and scattered for not following God’s command? Or are they supposed to turn the other cheek? I’m confused.
wrote on 11 Oct 2023, 00:12 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in Hamas attacks Israel:
So is this one of the times that they are to follow God’s command by smiting and destroying their enemies? Or is this one of the times they are supposed to be broken and scattered for not following God’s command? Or are they supposed to turn the other cheek? I’m confused.
I'm not. Who has turned their eyes from God? Who has done wicked deeds? Who has attacked the Chosen?
There is no religious or moral discussion about what is essentially right or what is wrong. This is a just war on Israel's part. The discussion takes place on how severe the response should be.
There are times when even Jesus said to go buy a sword.