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  • G George K
    10 Oct 2023, 15:42

    @kluurs said in Hamas attacks Israel:

    Perhaps we should hope that the next species to rule the earth will find a less contentious way forward.

    Hasn't worked in the last 4 billions years. I see no reason why that should change.

    Also, when it comes to "innocents," there's a lot of hair-pulling about all the innocents in Gaza. No doubt, there are innocents suffering there, but, they, until now, at least, whole heartedly supported Hamas.

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    LuFins Dad
    wrote on 10 Oct 2023, 15:48 last edited by
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    @George-K said in Hamas attacks Israel:

    @kluurs said in Hamas attacks Israel:

    Perhaps we should hope that the next species to rule the earth will find a less contentious way forward.

    Hasn't worked in the last 4 billions years. I see no reason why that should change.

    Also, when it comes to "innocents," there's a lot of hair-pulling about all the innocents in Gaza. No doubt, there are innocents suffering there, but, they, until now, at least, whole heartedly supported Hamas.

    Oh, they still wholeheartedly support them and that support will get even deeper the more the Israeli reacts. The bad guy in their minds is not Hamas for attacking, the bad guy is Israel for not willingly walking into the ocean.

    The Brad

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      LuFins Dad
      wrote on 10 Oct 2023, 15:50 last edited by
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      And that, ultimately, is the biggest difference when weighing the morality of both sides.

      The Brad

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      • G George K
        10 Oct 2023, 12:52

        Civilization and savagery are fundamentally at war.

        We’re in a war between savages and civilization. Everything else is a detail.

        Some of us woke up to that war when planes crashed into skyscrapers. Others when we saw beheading videos spread across social media. What we saw in Israel, Hamas terrorists raping, mutilating and defiling corpses, is another bloody wake-up call. There will be many others.

        Beyond the politics and the geopolitics, we still haven’t come to terms with what we’re fighting.

        The barbarism of murdering women and children, taking them as hostages, and posting photos of their dead bodies to social media, is not a byproduct of Islamic warfare, it’s the whole point.

        Cruelty, beheading, burning to death, torturing and mutilating are the essence of Islam. This is how Islamic warfare was practiced beginning with Mohammed for over a thousand years. It’s how it continues to be practiced, whether it’s ISIS fighting other Muslims, Azebajani troops killing Armenians, Hamas attacking Israelis, or Islamic terrorists plotting carnage in Western nations.

        Islam was born out of a war by barbarians against the civilized societies of Persia and Byzantium. Despite academic mythmaking, its vision never extended beyond rape and slavery, its empires fell into power struggles, beginning with Sunnis and Shiites, and its cultural and scientific accomplishments were all looted from conquered peoples. When civilization finally toppled the Ottoman Empire with some help from its internal barbarians, the cycle began again.

        Waiting for @jon-nyc ....

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        Wim
        wrote on 10 Oct 2023, 15:53 last edited by
        #221

        @George-K
        Replace 'islam' by 'religion'.
        Then I can agree.
        Remember ' Gott mit uns'...

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        • G George K
          10 Oct 2023, 15:42

          @kluurs said in Hamas attacks Israel:

          Perhaps we should hope that the next species to rule the earth will find a less contentious way forward.

          Hasn't worked in the last 4 billions years. I see no reason why that should change.

          Also, when it comes to "innocents," there's a lot of hair-pulling about all the innocents in Gaza. No doubt, there are innocents suffering there, but, they, until now, at least, whole heartedly supported Hamas.

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          Horace
          wrote on 10 Oct 2023, 16:00 last edited by
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          @George-K said in Hamas attacks Israel:

          @kluurs said in Hamas attacks Israel:

          Perhaps we should hope that the next species to rule the earth will find a less contentious way forward.

          Hasn't worked in the last 4 billions years. I see no reason why that should change.

          Also, when it comes to "innocents," there's a lot of hair-pulling about all the innocents in Gaza. No doubt, there are innocents suffering there, but, they, until now, at least, whole heartedly supported Hamas.

          Does a Palestinian born in Gaza have a meaningful choice of tribe?

          Education is extremely important.

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          • G George K
            10 Oct 2023, 15:42

            @kluurs said in Hamas attacks Israel:

            Perhaps we should hope that the next species to rule the earth will find a less contentious way forward.

            Hasn't worked in the last 4 billions years. I see no reason why that should change.

            Also, when it comes to "innocents," there's a lot of hair-pulling about all the innocents in Gaza. No doubt, there are innocents suffering there, but, they, until now, at least, whole heartedly supported Hamas.

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            kluurs
            wrote on 10 Oct 2023, 16:28 last edited by
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            @George-K said in Hamas attacks Israel:

            @kluurs said in Hamas attacks Israel:

            Also, when it comes to "innocents," there's a lot of hair-pulling about all the innocents in Gaza. No doubt, there are innocents suffering there, but, they, until now, at least, whole heartedly supported Hamas.

            Homogenizing a people does make it easier to do what the Hamas terrorists did - or what Israel with do to the Palestinians or what the Saudi terrorists did on 9/11 - though our nation seemed to have no problem seeing its way to isolating the Saudi terrorists from the rest of that country.

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            • K kluurs
              10 Oct 2023, 16:28

              @George-K said in Hamas attacks Israel:

              @kluurs said in Hamas attacks Israel:

              Also, when it comes to "innocents," there's a lot of hair-pulling about all the innocents in Gaza. No doubt, there are innocents suffering there, but, they, until now, at least, whole heartedly supported Hamas.

              Homogenizing a people does make it easier to do what the Hamas terrorists did - or what Israel with do to the Palestinians or what the Saudi terrorists did on 9/11 - though our nation seemed to have no problem seeing its way to isolating the Saudi terrorists from the rest of that country.

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              kluurs
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              @kluurs said in Hamas attacks Israel:

              @George-K said in Hamas attacks Israel:

              @kluurs said in Hamas attacks Israel:

              Also, when it comes to "innocents," there's a lot of hair-pulling about all the innocents in Gaza. No doubt, there are innocents suffering there, but, they, until now, at least, whole heartedly supported Hamas.

              Homogenizing a people does make it easier to do what the Hamas terrorists did - or what Israel with do to the Palestinians or what the Saudi terrorists did on 9/11 - though our nation seemed to have no problem seeing its way to isolating the Saudi terrorists from the rest of that country. And right now we are in the fog of things. It has been said and seems credible if not yet verifiable, that more than Hamas fighters are involved.

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              • H Horace
                10 Oct 2023, 16:00

                @George-K said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                @kluurs said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                Perhaps we should hope that the next species to rule the earth will find a less contentious way forward.

                Hasn't worked in the last 4 billions years. I see no reason why that should change.

                Also, when it comes to "innocents," there's a lot of hair-pulling about all the innocents in Gaza. No doubt, there are innocents suffering there, but, they, until now, at least, whole heartedly supported Hamas.

                Does a Palestinian born in Gaza have a meaningful choice of tribe?

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                jon-nyc
                wrote on 10 Oct 2023, 16:46 last edited by
                #225

                @Horace said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                @George-K said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                @kluurs said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                Perhaps we should hope that the next species to rule the earth will find a less contentious way forward.

                Hasn't worked in the last 4 billions years. I see no reason why that should change.

                Also, when it comes to "innocents," there's a lot of hair-pulling about all the innocents in Gaza. No doubt, there are innocents suffering there, but, they, until now, at least, whole heartedly supported Hamas.

                Does a Palestinian born in Gaza have a meaningful choice of tribe?

                50% of the residents are children. Hamas was voted in in 18 years ago this coming January.

                Only non-witches get due process.

                • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                • J jon-nyc
                  10 Oct 2023, 16:46

                  @Horace said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                  @George-K said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                  @kluurs said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                  Perhaps we should hope that the next species to rule the earth will find a less contentious way forward.

                  Hasn't worked in the last 4 billions years. I see no reason why that should change.

                  Also, when it comes to "innocents," there's a lot of hair-pulling about all the innocents in Gaza. No doubt, there are innocents suffering there, but, they, until now, at least, whole heartedly supported Hamas.

                  Does a Palestinian born in Gaza have a meaningful choice of tribe?

                  50% of the residents are children. Hamas was voted in in 18 years ago this coming January.

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                  Horace
                  wrote on 10 Oct 2023, 16:55 last edited by
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                  @jon-nyc said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                  @Horace said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                  @George-K said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                  @kluurs said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                  Perhaps we should hope that the next species to rule the earth will find a less contentious way forward.

                  Hasn't worked in the last 4 billions years. I see no reason why that should change.

                  Also, when it comes to "innocents," there's a lot of hair-pulling about all the innocents in Gaza. No doubt, there are innocents suffering there, but, they, until now, at least, whole heartedly supported Hamas.

                  Does a Palestinian born in Gaza have a meaningful choice of tribe?

                  50% of the residents are children. Hamas was voted in in 18 years ago this coming January.

                  So murderous conflict is cemented for another generation. And the existence of Israel is on a timer that ends when nukes are available to terrorists.

                  Education is extremely important.

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                    jon-nyc
                    wrote on 10 Oct 2023, 17:04 last edited by
                    #227

                    I’ve always thought that. You could say the same thing about DC and New York.

                    Unless technology can save us.

                    Only non-witches get due process.

                    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                      Jolly
                      wrote on 10 Oct 2023, 17:47 last edited by
                      #228

                      There is a solution. At least in some part.

                      Think Carthage

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        George K
                        wrote on 10 Oct 2023, 18:38 last edited by
                        #229

                        Anybody have thoughts as to why Egypt hasn't opened the border to Gaza to let refugees in?

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          jon-nyc
                          wrote on 10 Oct 2023, 19:13 last edited by
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                          Originally it was to keep them as a thorn in the side of Israel, today it's a little of that plus the fact that they don't want to import a radicalized group like Hamas and 2MM dependents. They have enough of that to deal with already.

                          Only non-witches get due process.

                          • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                            bachophile
                            wrote on 10 Oct 2023, 19:52 last edited by
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                            just a short comment.
                            i dont know if anyone heard Bidens statement today from the WH. worth a listen.
                            people here were deeply moved.
                            time for bed for me, i follow the thread but not always up to commenting, the depth of the tragedy is still sinking in

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                              jon-nyc
                              wrote on 10 Oct 2023, 19:54 last edited by
                              #232

                              Only non-witches get due process.

                              • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                              • J Jolly
                                10 Oct 2023, 17:47

                                There is a solution. At least in some part.

                                Think Carthage

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                                jon-nyc
                                wrote on 10 Oct 2023, 20:10 last edited by
                                #233

                                @Jolly said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                                There is a solution. At least in some part.

                                Think Carthage

                                I think they want to eliminate Hamas, not commit genocide on 2MM people including a million children.

                                Only non-witches get due process.

                                • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                • J jon-nyc
                                  10 Oct 2023, 20:10

                                  @Jolly said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                                  There is a solution. At least in some part.

                                  Think Carthage

                                  I think they want to eliminate Hamas, not commit genocide on 2MM people including a million children.

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                                  George K
                                  wrote on 10 Oct 2023, 20:16 last edited by
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                                  @jon-nyc said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                                  I think they want to eliminate Hamas, not commit genocide on 2MM people including a million children.

                                  Yes, but how do they do that without significant collateral damage?

                                  I've read that half the population of Gaza is under age 17.

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  • B bachophile
                                    10 Oct 2023, 19:52

                                    just a short comment.
                                    i dont know if anyone heard Bidens statement today from the WH. worth a listen.
                                    people here were deeply moved.
                                    time for bed for me, i follow the thread but not always up to commenting, the depth of the tragedy is still sinking in

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                                    xenon
                                    wrote on 10 Oct 2023, 20:42 last edited by
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                                    @bachophile said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                                    just a short comment.
                                    i dont know if anyone heard Bidens statement today from the WH. worth a listen.
                                    people here were deeply moved.
                                    time for bed for me, i follow the thread but not always up to commenting, the depth of the tragedy is still sinking in

                                    I think this is it:

                                    Link to video

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                                    • J jon-nyc
                                      10 Oct 2023, 20:10

                                      @Jolly said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                                      There is a solution. At least in some part.

                                      Think Carthage

                                      I think they want to eliminate Hamas, not commit genocide on 2MM people including a million children.

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                                      Jolly
                                      wrote on 10 Oct 2023, 20:58 last edited by
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                                      @jon-nyc said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                                      @Jolly said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                                      There is a solution. At least in some part.

                                      Think Carthage

                                      I think they want to eliminate Hamas, not commit genocide on 2MM people including a million children.

                                      You forgot sowing the ground with salt.

                                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                        LuFins Dad
                                        wrote on 10 Oct 2023, 21:03 last edited by
                                        #237

                                        The Brad

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                                        • G George K
                                          10 Oct 2023, 20:16

                                          @jon-nyc said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                                          I think they want to eliminate Hamas, not commit genocide on 2MM people including a million children.

                                          Yes, but how do they do that without significant collateral damage?

                                          I've read that half the population of Gaza is under age 17.

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                                          kluurs
                                          wrote on 10 Oct 2023, 21:07 last edited by
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                                          @George-K said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                                          I've read that half the population of Gaza is under age 17.

                                          That's kind of what Rumsfeld spoke of when he was pondering the impact of our intervention in Afghanistan - i.e. sowing seeds of the next generation's combatants/martyrs for the cause.

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