Hamas attacks Israel
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wrote on 10 Oct 2023, 15:50 last edited by
And that, ultimately, is the biggest difference when weighing the morality of both sides.
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Civilization and savagery are fundamentally at war.
We’re in a war between savages and civilization. Everything else is a detail.
Some of us woke up to that war when planes crashed into skyscrapers. Others when we saw beheading videos spread across social media. What we saw in Israel, Hamas terrorists raping, mutilating and defiling corpses, is another bloody wake-up call. There will be many others.
Beyond the politics and the geopolitics, we still haven’t come to terms with what we’re fighting.
The barbarism of murdering women and children, taking them as hostages, and posting photos of their dead bodies to social media, is not a byproduct of Islamic warfare, it’s the whole point.
Cruelty, beheading, burning to death, torturing and mutilating are the essence of Islam. This is how Islamic warfare was practiced beginning with Mohammed for over a thousand years. It’s how it continues to be practiced, whether it’s ISIS fighting other Muslims, Azebajani troops killing Armenians, Hamas attacking Israelis, or Islamic terrorists plotting carnage in Western nations.
Islam was born out of a war by barbarians against the civilized societies of Persia and Byzantium. Despite academic mythmaking, its vision never extended beyond rape and slavery, its empires fell into power struggles, beginning with Sunnis and Shiites, and its cultural and scientific accomplishments were all looted from conquered peoples. When civilization finally toppled the Ottoman Empire with some help from its internal barbarians, the cycle began again.
Waiting for @jon-nyc ....
wrote on 10 Oct 2023, 15:53 last edited by@George-K
Replace 'islam' by 'religion'.
Then I can agree.
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@kluurs said in Hamas attacks Israel:
Perhaps we should hope that the next species to rule the earth will find a less contentious way forward.
Hasn't worked in the last 4 billions years. I see no reason why that should change.
Also, when it comes to "innocents," there's a lot of hair-pulling about all the innocents in Gaza. No doubt, there are innocents suffering there, but, they, until now, at least, whole heartedly supported Hamas.
wrote on 10 Oct 2023, 16:00 last edited by@George-K said in Hamas attacks Israel:
@kluurs said in Hamas attacks Israel:
Perhaps we should hope that the next species to rule the earth will find a less contentious way forward.
Hasn't worked in the last 4 billions years. I see no reason why that should change.
Also, when it comes to "innocents," there's a lot of hair-pulling about all the innocents in Gaza. No doubt, there are innocents suffering there, but, they, until now, at least, whole heartedly supported Hamas.
Does a Palestinian born in Gaza have a meaningful choice of tribe?
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@kluurs said in Hamas attacks Israel:
Perhaps we should hope that the next species to rule the earth will find a less contentious way forward.
Hasn't worked in the last 4 billions years. I see no reason why that should change.
Also, when it comes to "innocents," there's a lot of hair-pulling about all the innocents in Gaza. No doubt, there are innocents suffering there, but, they, until now, at least, whole heartedly supported Hamas.
wrote on 10 Oct 2023, 16:28 last edited by@George-K said in Hamas attacks Israel:
@kluurs said in Hamas attacks Israel:
Also, when it comes to "innocents," there's a lot of hair-pulling about all the innocents in Gaza. No doubt, there are innocents suffering there, but, they, until now, at least, whole heartedly supported Hamas.
Homogenizing a people does make it easier to do what the Hamas terrorists did - or what Israel with do to the Palestinians or what the Saudi terrorists did on 9/11 - though our nation seemed to have no problem seeing its way to isolating the Saudi terrorists from the rest of that country.
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@George-K said in Hamas attacks Israel:
@kluurs said in Hamas attacks Israel:
Also, when it comes to "innocents," there's a lot of hair-pulling about all the innocents in Gaza. No doubt, there are innocents suffering there, but, they, until now, at least, whole heartedly supported Hamas.
Homogenizing a people does make it easier to do what the Hamas terrorists did - or what Israel with do to the Palestinians or what the Saudi terrorists did on 9/11 - though our nation seemed to have no problem seeing its way to isolating the Saudi terrorists from the rest of that country.
wrote on 10 Oct 2023, 16:30 last edited by@kluurs said in Hamas attacks Israel:
@George-K said in Hamas attacks Israel:
@kluurs said in Hamas attacks Israel:
Also, when it comes to "innocents," there's a lot of hair-pulling about all the innocents in Gaza. No doubt, there are innocents suffering there, but, they, until now, at least, whole heartedly supported Hamas.
Homogenizing a people does make it easier to do what the Hamas terrorists did - or what Israel with do to the Palestinians or what the Saudi terrorists did on 9/11 - though our nation seemed to have no problem seeing its way to isolating the Saudi terrorists from the rest of that country. And right now we are in the fog of things. It has been said and seems credible if not yet verifiable, that more than Hamas fighters are involved.
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@George-K said in Hamas attacks Israel:
@kluurs said in Hamas attacks Israel:
Perhaps we should hope that the next species to rule the earth will find a less contentious way forward.
Hasn't worked in the last 4 billions years. I see no reason why that should change.
Also, when it comes to "innocents," there's a lot of hair-pulling about all the innocents in Gaza. No doubt, there are innocents suffering there, but, they, until now, at least, whole heartedly supported Hamas.
Does a Palestinian born in Gaza have a meaningful choice of tribe?
wrote on 10 Oct 2023, 16:46 last edited by@Horace said in Hamas attacks Israel:
@George-K said in Hamas attacks Israel:
@kluurs said in Hamas attacks Israel:
Perhaps we should hope that the next species to rule the earth will find a less contentious way forward.
Hasn't worked in the last 4 billions years. I see no reason why that should change.
Also, when it comes to "innocents," there's a lot of hair-pulling about all the innocents in Gaza. No doubt, there are innocents suffering there, but, they, until now, at least, whole heartedly supported Hamas.
Does a Palestinian born in Gaza have a meaningful choice of tribe?
50% of the residents are children. Hamas was voted in in 18 years ago this coming January.
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@Horace said in Hamas attacks Israel:
@George-K said in Hamas attacks Israel:
@kluurs said in Hamas attacks Israel:
Perhaps we should hope that the next species to rule the earth will find a less contentious way forward.
Hasn't worked in the last 4 billions years. I see no reason why that should change.
Also, when it comes to "innocents," there's a lot of hair-pulling about all the innocents in Gaza. No doubt, there are innocents suffering there, but, they, until now, at least, whole heartedly supported Hamas.
Does a Palestinian born in Gaza have a meaningful choice of tribe?
50% of the residents are children. Hamas was voted in in 18 years ago this coming January.
wrote on 10 Oct 2023, 16:55 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Hamas attacks Israel:
@Horace said in Hamas attacks Israel:
@George-K said in Hamas attacks Israel:
@kluurs said in Hamas attacks Israel:
Perhaps we should hope that the next species to rule the earth will find a less contentious way forward.
Hasn't worked in the last 4 billions years. I see no reason why that should change.
Also, when it comes to "innocents," there's a lot of hair-pulling about all the innocents in Gaza. No doubt, there are innocents suffering there, but, they, until now, at least, whole heartedly supported Hamas.
Does a Palestinian born in Gaza have a meaningful choice of tribe?
50% of the residents are children. Hamas was voted in in 18 years ago this coming January.
So murderous conflict is cemented for another generation. And the existence of Israel is on a timer that ends when nukes are available to terrorists.
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wrote on 10 Oct 2023, 17:04 last edited by
I’ve always thought that. You could say the same thing about DC and New York.
Unless technology can save us.
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wrote on 10 Oct 2023, 17:47 last edited by
There is a solution. At least in some part.
Think Carthage
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wrote on 10 Oct 2023, 18:38 last edited by
Anybody have thoughts as to why Egypt hasn't opened the border to Gaza to let refugees in?
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wrote on 10 Oct 2023, 19:13 last edited by
Originally it was to keep them as a thorn in the side of Israel, today it's a little of that plus the fact that they don't want to import a radicalized group like Hamas and 2MM dependents. They have enough of that to deal with already.
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wrote on 10 Oct 2023, 19:52 last edited by
just a short comment.
i dont know if anyone heard Bidens statement today from the WH. worth a listen.
people here were deeply moved.
time for bed for me, i follow the thread but not always up to commenting, the depth of the tragedy is still sinking in -
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@Jolly said in Hamas attacks Israel:
There is a solution. At least in some part.
Think Carthage
I think they want to eliminate Hamas, not commit genocide on 2MM people including a million children.
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@Jolly said in Hamas attacks Israel:
There is a solution. At least in some part.
Think Carthage
I think they want to eliminate Hamas, not commit genocide on 2MM people including a million children.
wrote on 10 Oct 2023, 20:16 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Hamas attacks Israel:
I think they want to eliminate Hamas, not commit genocide on 2MM people including a million children.
Yes, but how do they do that without significant collateral damage?
I've read that half the population of Gaza is under age 17.
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just a short comment.
i dont know if anyone heard Bidens statement today from the WH. worth a listen.
people here were deeply moved.
time for bed for me, i follow the thread but not always up to commenting, the depth of the tragedy is still sinking inwrote on 10 Oct 2023, 20:42 last edited by@bachophile said in Hamas attacks Israel:
just a short comment.
i dont know if anyone heard Bidens statement today from the WH. worth a listen.
people here were deeply moved.
time for bed for me, i follow the thread but not always up to commenting, the depth of the tragedy is still sinking inI think this is it:
Link to video
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@Jolly said in Hamas attacks Israel:
There is a solution. At least in some part.
Think Carthage
I think they want to eliminate Hamas, not commit genocide on 2MM people including a million children.
wrote on 10 Oct 2023, 20:58 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Hamas attacks Israel:
@Jolly said in Hamas attacks Israel:
There is a solution. At least in some part.
Think Carthage
I think they want to eliminate Hamas, not commit genocide on 2MM people including a million children.
You forgot sowing the ground with salt.
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wrote on 10 Oct 2023, 21:03 last edited by
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@jon-nyc said in Hamas attacks Israel:
I think they want to eliminate Hamas, not commit genocide on 2MM people including a million children.
Yes, but how do they do that without significant collateral damage?
I've read that half the population of Gaza is under age 17.
wrote on 10 Oct 2023, 21:07 last edited by@George-K said in Hamas attacks Israel:
I've read that half the population of Gaza is under age 17.
That's kind of what Rumsfeld spoke of when he was pondering the impact of our intervention in Afghanistan - i.e. sowing seeds of the next generation's combatants/martyrs for the cause.
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@jon-nyc said in Hamas attacks Israel:
@Jolly said in Hamas attacks Israel:
There is a solution. At least in some part.
Think Carthage
I think they want to eliminate Hamas, not commit genocide on 2MM people including a million children.
You forgot sowing the ground with salt.
wrote on 10 Oct 2023, 21:13 last edited by@Jolly said in Hamas attacks Israel:
@jon-nyc said in Hamas attacks Israel:
@Jolly said in Hamas attacks Israel:
There is a solution. At least in some part.
Think Carthage
I think they want to eliminate Hamas, not commit genocide on 2MM people including a million children.
You forgot sowing the ground with salt.
Seriously, if the problem could be solved by eradicating them, all the way down to the beasts in the field, I'd flick the switch. Israel can invade, they can kill thousands, they can turn the majority of buildings into rubble.
It won't fix this problem.
The only time a faction hasn't taken up the sword, is when that faction no longer exists.
Maybe the only solution is the Second Coming.
