Hamas attacks Israel
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And that, ultimately, is the biggest difference when weighing the morality of both sides.
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Civilization and savagery are fundamentally at war.
We’re in a war between savages and civilization. Everything else is a detail.
Some of us woke up to that war when planes crashed into skyscrapers. Others when we saw beheading videos spread across social media. What we saw in Israel, Hamas terrorists raping, mutilating and defiling corpses, is another bloody wake-up call. There will be many others.
Beyond the politics and the geopolitics, we still haven’t come to terms with what we’re fighting.
The barbarism of murdering women and children, taking them as hostages, and posting photos of their dead bodies to social media, is not a byproduct of Islamic warfare, it’s the whole point.
Cruelty, beheading, burning to death, torturing and mutilating are the essence of Islam. This is how Islamic warfare was practiced beginning with Mohammed for over a thousand years. It’s how it continues to be practiced, whether it’s ISIS fighting other Muslims, Azebajani troops killing Armenians, Hamas attacking Israelis, or Islamic terrorists plotting carnage in Western nations.
Islam was born out of a war by barbarians against the civilized societies of Persia and Byzantium. Despite academic mythmaking, its vision never extended beyond rape and slavery, its empires fell into power struggles, beginning with Sunnis and Shiites, and its cultural and scientific accomplishments were all looted from conquered peoples. When civilization finally toppled the Ottoman Empire with some help from its internal barbarians, the cycle began again.
Waiting for @jon-nyc ....
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@kluurs said in Hamas attacks Israel:
Perhaps we should hope that the next species to rule the earth will find a less contentious way forward.
Hasn't worked in the last 4 billions years. I see no reason why that should change.
Also, when it comes to "innocents," there's a lot of hair-pulling about all the innocents in Gaza. No doubt, there are innocents suffering there, but, they, until now, at least, whole heartedly supported Hamas.
@George-K said in Hamas attacks Israel:
@kluurs said in Hamas attacks Israel:
Perhaps we should hope that the next species to rule the earth will find a less contentious way forward.
Hasn't worked in the last 4 billions years. I see no reason why that should change.
Also, when it comes to "innocents," there's a lot of hair-pulling about all the innocents in Gaza. No doubt, there are innocents suffering there, but, they, until now, at least, whole heartedly supported Hamas.
Does a Palestinian born in Gaza have a meaningful choice of tribe?
Education is extremely important.
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@kluurs said in Hamas attacks Israel:
Perhaps we should hope that the next species to rule the earth will find a less contentious way forward.
Hasn't worked in the last 4 billions years. I see no reason why that should change.
Also, when it comes to "innocents," there's a lot of hair-pulling about all the innocents in Gaza. No doubt, there are innocents suffering there, but, they, until now, at least, whole heartedly supported Hamas.
@George-K said in Hamas attacks Israel:
@kluurs said in Hamas attacks Israel:
Also, when it comes to "innocents," there's a lot of hair-pulling about all the innocents in Gaza. No doubt, there are innocents suffering there, but, they, until now, at least, whole heartedly supported Hamas.
Homogenizing a people does make it easier to do what the Hamas terrorists did - or what Israel with do to the Palestinians or what the Saudi terrorists did on 9/11 - though our nation seemed to have no problem seeing its way to isolating the Saudi terrorists from the rest of that country.
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@George-K said in Hamas attacks Israel:
@kluurs said in Hamas attacks Israel:
Also, when it comes to "innocents," there's a lot of hair-pulling about all the innocents in Gaza. No doubt, there are innocents suffering there, but, they, until now, at least, whole heartedly supported Hamas.
Homogenizing a people does make it easier to do what the Hamas terrorists did - or what Israel with do to the Palestinians or what the Saudi terrorists did on 9/11 - though our nation seemed to have no problem seeing its way to isolating the Saudi terrorists from the rest of that country.
@kluurs said in Hamas attacks Israel:
@George-K said in Hamas attacks Israel:
@kluurs said in Hamas attacks Israel:
Also, when it comes to "innocents," there's a lot of hair-pulling about all the innocents in Gaza. No doubt, there are innocents suffering there, but, they, until now, at least, whole heartedly supported Hamas.
Homogenizing a people does make it easier to do what the Hamas terrorists did - or what Israel with do to the Palestinians or what the Saudi terrorists did on 9/11 - though our nation seemed to have no problem seeing its way to isolating the Saudi terrorists from the rest of that country. And right now we are in the fog of things. It has been said and seems credible if not yet verifiable, that more than Hamas fighters are involved.
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@George-K said in Hamas attacks Israel:
@kluurs said in Hamas attacks Israel:
Perhaps we should hope that the next species to rule the earth will find a less contentious way forward.
Hasn't worked in the last 4 billions years. I see no reason why that should change.
Also, when it comes to "innocents," there's a lot of hair-pulling about all the innocents in Gaza. No doubt, there are innocents suffering there, but, they, until now, at least, whole heartedly supported Hamas.
Does a Palestinian born in Gaza have a meaningful choice of tribe?
@Horace said in Hamas attacks Israel:
@George-K said in Hamas attacks Israel:
@kluurs said in Hamas attacks Israel:
Perhaps we should hope that the next species to rule the earth will find a less contentious way forward.
Hasn't worked in the last 4 billions years. I see no reason why that should change.
Also, when it comes to "innocents," there's a lot of hair-pulling about all the innocents in Gaza. No doubt, there are innocents suffering there, but, they, until now, at least, whole heartedly supported Hamas.
Does a Palestinian born in Gaza have a meaningful choice of tribe?
50% of the residents are children. Hamas was voted in in 18 years ago this coming January.
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@Horace said in Hamas attacks Israel:
@George-K said in Hamas attacks Israel:
@kluurs said in Hamas attacks Israel:
Perhaps we should hope that the next species to rule the earth will find a less contentious way forward.
Hasn't worked in the last 4 billions years. I see no reason why that should change.
Also, when it comes to "innocents," there's a lot of hair-pulling about all the innocents in Gaza. No doubt, there are innocents suffering there, but, they, until now, at least, whole heartedly supported Hamas.
Does a Palestinian born in Gaza have a meaningful choice of tribe?
50% of the residents are children. Hamas was voted in in 18 years ago this coming January.
@jon-nyc said in Hamas attacks Israel:
@Horace said in Hamas attacks Israel:
@George-K said in Hamas attacks Israel:
@kluurs said in Hamas attacks Israel:
Perhaps we should hope that the next species to rule the earth will find a less contentious way forward.
Hasn't worked in the last 4 billions years. I see no reason why that should change.
Also, when it comes to "innocents," there's a lot of hair-pulling about all the innocents in Gaza. No doubt, there are innocents suffering there, but, they, until now, at least, whole heartedly supported Hamas.
Does a Palestinian born in Gaza have a meaningful choice of tribe?
50% of the residents are children. Hamas was voted in in 18 years ago this coming January.
So murderous conflict is cemented for another generation. And the existence of Israel is on a timer that ends when nukes are available to terrorists.
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There is a solution. At least in some part.
Think Carthage
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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just a short comment.
i dont know if anyone heard Bidens statement today from the WH. worth a listen.
people here were deeply moved.
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@Jolly said in Hamas attacks Israel:
There is a solution. At least in some part.
Think Carthage
I think they want to eliminate Hamas, not commit genocide on 2MM people including a million children.
“Don’t make me repeat myself”
- history
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@Jolly said in Hamas attacks Israel:
There is a solution. At least in some part.
Think Carthage
I think they want to eliminate Hamas, not commit genocide on 2MM people including a million children.
@jon-nyc said in Hamas attacks Israel:
I think they want to eliminate Hamas, not commit genocide on 2MM people including a million children.
Yes, but how do they do that without significant collateral damage?
I've read that half the population of Gaza is under age 17.
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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just a short comment.
i dont know if anyone heard Bidens statement today from the WH. worth a listen.
people here were deeply moved.
time for bed for me, i follow the thread but not always up to commenting, the depth of the tragedy is still sinking in@bachophile said in Hamas attacks Israel:
just a short comment.
i dont know if anyone heard Bidens statement today from the WH. worth a listen.
people here were deeply moved.
time for bed for me, i follow the thread but not always up to commenting, the depth of the tragedy is still sinking inI think this is it:
Link to video
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@Jolly said in Hamas attacks Israel:
There is a solution. At least in some part.
Think Carthage
I think they want to eliminate Hamas, not commit genocide on 2MM people including a million children.
@jon-nyc said in Hamas attacks Israel:
@Jolly said in Hamas attacks Israel:
There is a solution. At least in some part.
Think Carthage
I think they want to eliminate Hamas, not commit genocide on 2MM people including a million children.
You forgot sowing the ground with salt.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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@jon-nyc said in Hamas attacks Israel:
I think they want to eliminate Hamas, not commit genocide on 2MM people including a million children.
Yes, but how do they do that without significant collateral damage?
I've read that half the population of Gaza is under age 17.
@George-K said in Hamas attacks Israel:
I've read that half the population of Gaza is under age 17.
That's kind of what Rumsfeld spoke of when he was pondering the impact of our intervention in Afghanistan - i.e. sowing seeds of the next generation's combatants/martyrs for the cause.
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@jon-nyc said in Hamas attacks Israel:
@Jolly said in Hamas attacks Israel:
There is a solution. At least in some part.
Think Carthage
I think they want to eliminate Hamas, not commit genocide on 2MM people including a million children.
You forgot sowing the ground with salt.
@Jolly said in Hamas attacks Israel:
@jon-nyc said in Hamas attacks Israel:
@Jolly said in Hamas attacks Israel:
There is a solution. At least in some part.
Think Carthage
I think they want to eliminate Hamas, not commit genocide on 2MM people including a million children.
You forgot sowing the ground with salt.
Seriously, if the problem could be solved by eradicating them, all the way down to the beasts in the field, I'd flick the switch. Israel can invade, they can kill thousands, they can turn the majority of buildings into rubble.
It won't fix this problem.
The only time a faction hasn't taken up the sword, is when that faction no longer exists.
Maybe the only solution is the Second Coming.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
