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    Horace
    wrote on 9 Oct 2023, 17:34 last edited by
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    It's an interesting question, to what extent did the civilians fight back, and to what extent were they armed sufficiently to do so.

    Education is extremely important.

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      Renauda
      wrote on 9 Oct 2023, 17:44 last edited by Renauda 10 Sept 2023, 19:50
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      The question is to what extent they were taken by surprise.

      The element of surprise in warfare cannot be underestimated. Stonewall Jackson was a consummate master of repeatedly using the element of surprise to enable his smaller and weaker forces to rout or defeat a larger and better equipped union forces. Many other examples of such throughout history.

      It is difficult enough for trained soldiers to defend against surprise attacks let alone civilians and civilian militias.

      Elbows up!

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        Rainman
        wrote on 9 Oct 2023, 17:50 last edited by
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        But Renauda, where is the surprise when you can hear the shooting going on in the next block?

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          Renauda
          wrote on 9 Oct 2023, 17:55 last edited by Renauda 10 Sept 2023, 18:01
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          Believe me it’s there amidst the all the yelling, crying, explosions and shooting. When you’re on the receiving end it’s most often referred to as shock.

          Elbows up!

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            Rainman
            wrote on 9 Oct 2023, 18:22 last edited by
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            Renauda, yes, I see your point. I guess I would try to lay low with my family members, maybe hide if we're home. I would also guess people would have a plan what they would do when this situation occurs. Here, I'd get in my car with family and head north. But really, who is going to attack Oregon? I've only lost so-much sleep over it.

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              Horace
              wrote on 9 Oct 2023, 19:14 last edited by
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              Anyway, it remains interesting the degree to which the civilians mounted a defense. I understand the music festival where much of the damage was done, was on the outskirts, and not immediately defensible.

              Education is extremely important.

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                bachophile
                wrote on 9 Oct 2023, 19:21 last edited by
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                All those towns in the south have sort of internal quasi army self defense units all armed with military weapons. Many of them were simply overwhelmed in numbers. In some places they succeeded in wiping out the marauders but obviously not everywhere. Kibbutz Beeri had 100 members dead. Some were families including children tied up and executed.
                There will be no mercy anymore. Gaza will be turned into rubble. And if hezbollah is so inclined, Beirut will also be turned to rubble.
                The American aircraft carrier is a message to Assad and Putin on whose side the USA stands.

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                  blondie
                  wrote on 9 Oct 2023, 20:18 last edited by
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                  Oh Gosh, I hope you stay safe Bach and continue to lead your own troops at your hospital. Thanks for your updates.

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                    George K
                    wrote on 9 Oct 2023, 20:25 last edited by
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                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      kluurs
                      wrote on 9 Oct 2023, 20:33 last edited by
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                      @George-K said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                      I hope this post is false even as I fear its truth.

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                        Jolly
                        wrote on 9 Oct 2023, 20:36 last edited by
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                        Okay. For every Israeli executed, five more buildings go down.

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          Renauda
                          wrote on 9 Oct 2023, 20:38 last edited by Renauda 10 Sept 2023, 20:39
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                          Make it an even ten more buildings.

                          Elbows up!

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                            Jolly
                            wrote on 9 Oct 2023, 20:40 last edited by
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                            Left up to me, I'd set off a neutron bomb in the middle of the strip, let the corpses pile up and rot, while cutting off all water, utilities and medical aid for thirty days. Let the plague take its course.

                            Wanna go medieval? Treat them like the Canaanites.

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              Renauda
                              wrote on 9 Oct 2023, 20:45 last edited by Renauda 10 Sept 2023, 20:49
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                              Wanna go medieval?

                              A modern day version of Edward the Black Prince’s tactic of Chevauchée would suffice. No need for WMD of any sort.

                              Elbows up!

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                                9 Oct 2023, 19:21

                                All those towns in the south have sort of internal quasi army self defense units all armed with military weapons. Many of them were simply overwhelmed in numbers. In some places they succeeded in wiping out the marauders but obviously not everywhere. Kibbutz Beeri had 100 members dead. Some were families including children tied up and executed.
                                There will be no mercy anymore. Gaza will be turned into rubble. And if hezbollah is so inclined, Beirut will also be turned to rubble.
                                The American aircraft carrier is a message to Assad and Putin on whose side the USA stands.

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                                Copper
                                wrote on 9 Oct 2023, 20:48 last edited by
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                                @bachophile said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                                There will be no mercy anymore.

                                That makes sense to me.

                                Stay safe.

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                                  Rainman
                                  wrote on 9 Oct 2023, 21:08 last edited by
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                                  I do not like that "no mercy anymore."
                                  At least as a blanket statement.

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                                    jon-nyc
                                    wrote on 9 Oct 2023, 21:24 last edited by
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                                    Israeli death toll up to 800. “At least” 150 hostages.

                                    Jesus.

                                    Only non-witches get due process.

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                                      jon-nyc
                                      wrote on 9 Oct 2023, 21:26 last edited by
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                                      On Bari Weiss’s podcast she interviewed a mom whose 12 and 16 year olds were abducted.

                                      It’s hard to listen to.

                                      Only non-witches get due process.

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                                        Copper
                                        wrote on 9 Oct 2023, 21:30 last edited by
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                                        From a BBC story in March

                                        Israeli gun ownership is low at about 2% of the population. It compares to about 30% of the population owning a gun in the US.

                                        https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-65110881

                                        I'm surprised to see it that low.

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                                          Copper
                                          wrote on 9 Oct 2023, 21:40 last edited by
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                                          Israeli airspace at the moment

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                                          Note the drone(?) in the south

                                          No registration (just Israel), No Type

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