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  • RainmanR Rainman

    My son asked me something I didn't have the answer to, maybe someone here can explain. And I don't want to bother bachophile, he's undoubtedly busier than hell and under a lot of stress.
    Aren't all Israeli citizens required to have military training after high school? And, are citizens allowed to have guns in their homes? If so, why don't the people start shooting the Hamas guys in their pickups or those going door-to-door, or just coming down the street waving their weapons and yelling?

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    George K
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    @Rainman said in Hamas attacks Israel:

    Aren't all Israeli citizens required to have military training after high school?

    Yes. In fact @bachophile was in the IDF - I'll let him give you the details.

    And, are citizens allowed to have guns in their homes?

    https://legalitylens.com/are-guns-legal-in-israel/

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      Rainman
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      #168

      Thanks, George. Once again, you use this internet thing I've heard so much about!
      Does anyone know off the top of their head (or gooduck) what the consequences would be for shooting one of these maniacs from your bedroom window? Kind of a neighborhood watch program.

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        Horace
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        #169

        It's an interesting question, to what extent did the civilians fight back, and to what extent were they armed sufficiently to do so.

        Education is extremely important.

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        • RenaudaR Offline
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          Renauda
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          #170

          The question is to what extent they were taken by surprise.

          The element of surprise in warfare cannot be underestimated. Stonewall Jackson was a consummate master of repeatedly using the element of surprise to enable his smaller and weaker forces to rout or defeat a larger and better equipped union forces. Many other examples of such throughout history.

          It is difficult enough for trained soldiers to defend against surprise attacks let alone civilians and civilian militias.

          Elbows up!

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            Rainman
            wrote on last edited by
            #171

            But Renauda, where is the surprise when you can hear the shooting going on in the next block?

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            • RenaudaR Offline
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              Renauda
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              #172

              Believe me it’s there amidst the all the yelling, crying, explosions and shooting. When you’re on the receiving end it’s most often referred to as shock.

              Elbows up!

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                Rainman
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                #173

                Renauda, yes, I see your point. I guess I would try to lay low with my family members, maybe hide if we're home. I would also guess people would have a plan what they would do when this situation occurs. Here, I'd get in my car with family and head north. But really, who is going to attack Oregon? I've only lost so-much sleep over it.

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                  Horace
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                  Anyway, it remains interesting the degree to which the civilians mounted a defense. I understand the music festival where much of the damage was done, was on the outskirts, and not immediately defensible.

                  Education is extremely important.

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                    #175

                    All those towns in the south have sort of internal quasi army self defense units all armed with military weapons. Many of them were simply overwhelmed in numbers. In some places they succeeded in wiping out the marauders but obviously not everywhere. Kibbutz Beeri had 100 members dead. Some were families including children tied up and executed.
                    There will be no mercy anymore. Gaza will be turned into rubble. And if hezbollah is so inclined, Beirut will also be turned to rubble.
                    The American aircraft carrier is a message to Assad and Putin on whose side the USA stands.

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                      blondie
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                      #176

                      Oh Gosh, I hope you stay safe Bach and continue to lead your own troops at your hospital. Thanks for your updates.

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                      • George KG Offline
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                        George K
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #177

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • George KG George K

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                          @George-K said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                          I hope this post is false even as I fear its truth.

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                            Okay. For every Israeli executed, five more buildings go down.

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              Renauda
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                              #180

                              Make it an even ten more buildings.

                              Elbows up!

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                                Jolly
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                                #181

                                Left up to me, I'd set off a neutron bomb in the middle of the strip, let the corpses pile up and rot, while cutting off all water, utilities and medical aid for thirty days. Let the plague take its course.

                                Wanna go medieval? Treat them like the Canaanites.

                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  Renauda
                                  wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                  #182

                                  Wanna go medieval?

                                  A modern day version of Edward the Black Prince’s tactic of Chevauchée would suffice. No need for WMD of any sort.

                                  Elbows up!

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                                  • bachophileB bachophile

                                    All those towns in the south have sort of internal quasi army self defense units all armed with military weapons. Many of them were simply overwhelmed in numbers. In some places they succeeded in wiping out the marauders but obviously not everywhere. Kibbutz Beeri had 100 members dead. Some were families including children tied up and executed.
                                    There will be no mercy anymore. Gaza will be turned into rubble. And if hezbollah is so inclined, Beirut will also be turned to rubble.
                                    The American aircraft carrier is a message to Assad and Putin on whose side the USA stands.

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                                    Copper
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #183

                                    @bachophile said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                                    There will be no mercy anymore.

                                    That makes sense to me.

                                    Stay safe.

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                                      Rainman
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #184

                                      I do not like that "no mercy anymore."
                                      At least as a blanket statement.

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                                        jon-nyc
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                                        #185

                                        Israeli death toll up to 800. “At least” 150 hostages.

                                        Jesus.

                                        Only non-witches get due process.

                                        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                          jon-nyc
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                                          On Bari Weiss’s podcast she interviewed a mom whose 12 and 16 year olds were abducted.

                                          It’s hard to listen to.

                                          Only non-witches get due process.

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