Hamas attacks Israel

[Aqua Letifer]

How much of this was a U.S. intelligence failure? Wasn't that a big part of our job, help see something this big coming?

[George K]

@Aqua-Letifer said in Hamas attacks Israel:

How much of this was a U.S. intelligence failure?

The fact that so much points to Iran and the recent revelation that US State had an Iranian asset at high levels (Malley), makes you wonder.

[bachophile]

now they say they did kill three infiltrators in the north who crossed from lebanon. nothing more.

[Copper]

The headline here this morning is the USS Gerald Ford strike group, based here in Norfolk, is headed to aid Israel. They could certainly supply some power. It will be interesting to see how it is used.

[George K]

CNN gave this guy a platform...

[George K]

"We call for a truce."

Something tells me that Bibi will not be very forgiving.

[Mik]

Yeah, I don't think he's much interested in a truce at the moment.

[Renauda]

@kluurs said in Hamas attacks Israel:

Just saw a purported Hamas video in which they show several captured Israeli generals and key naval personnel. Fake?

I saw earlier today that it is misinformation. Not fake but not of Hamas or Israelis. The video is of Azeri forces capturing Armenians in Nagorno-Karabakh a couple of weeks ago.

[taiwan_girl]

@bachophile Stay safe :couple_with_heart:

[Aqua Letifer]

@Renauda said in Hamas attacks Israel:

@kluurs said in Hamas attacks Israel:

Just saw a purported Hamas video in which they show several captured Israeli generals and key naval personnel. Fake?

I saw earlier today that it is misinformation. Not fake but not of Hamas or Israelis. The video is of Azeri forces capturing Armenians in Nagorno-Karabakh a couple of weeks ago.

Yeah, I've been hearing about that, the Azerbaijan/Armenia problems. Weird time.

[Mik]

That whole region has problems.

[Rainman]

My son asked me something I didn't have the answer to, maybe someone here can explain. And I don't want to bother bachophile, he's undoubtedly busier than hell and under a lot of stress.
Aren't all Israeli citizens required to have military training after high school? And, are citizens allowed to have guns in their homes? If so, why don't the people start shooting the Hamas guys in their pickups or those going door-to-door, or just coming down the street waving their weapons and yelling?

[George K]

@Rainman said in Hamas attacks Israel:

Aren't all Israeli citizens required to have military training after high school?

Yes. In fact @bachophile was in the IDF - I'll let him give you the details.

And, are citizens allowed to have guns in their homes?

https://legalitylens.com/are-guns-legal-in-israel/

[Rainman]

Thanks, George. Once again, you use this internet thing I've heard so much about!
Does anyone know off the top of their head (or gooduck) what the consequences would be for shooting one of these maniacs from your bedroom window? Kind of a neighborhood watch program.

[Horace]

It's an interesting question, to what extent did the civilians fight back, and to what extent were they armed sufficiently to do so.

[Renauda]

The question is to what extent they were taken by surprise.

The element of surprise in warfare cannot be underestimated. Stonewall Jackson was a consummate master of repeatedly using the element of surprise to enable his smaller and weaker forces to rout or defeat a larger and better equipped union forces. Many other examples of such throughout history.

It is difficult enough for trained soldiers to defend against surprise attacks let alone civilians and civilian militias.

[Rainman]

But Renauda, where is the surprise when you can hear the shooting going on in the next block?

[Renauda]

Believe me it’s there amidst the all the yelling, crying, explosions and shooting. When you’re on the receiving end it’s most often referred to as shock.

[Rainman]

Renauda, yes, I see your point. I guess I would try to lay low with my family members, maybe hide if we're home. I would also guess people would have a plan what they would do when this situation occurs. Here, I'd get in my car with family and head north. But really, who is going to attack Oregon? I've only lost so-much sleep over it.

[Horace]

Anyway, it remains interesting the degree to which the civilians mounted a defense. I understand the music festival where much of the damage was done, was on the outskirts, and not immediately defensible.