Hamas attacks Israel

[bachophile]

scattered reports about something in the north, but not verified yet....

in the meantime El Al has sent out a plane to south america, going country to country, picking up israeli trekkers trying to return to there reserve units. typical isreali wartime behaviour

[bachophile]

also the defense mnister galant just announced what will basically be a middle ages seige on gaza. no food, water fuel or supplies to be allowed in. all kid gloves are coming off

[bachophile]

im in clinic now, cant really chat, ill try to update as i can

[George K]

@bachophile said in Hamas attacks Israel:

all kid gloves are coming off

"One of the oldest rules in American gangland was formulated by Murray "the Camel" Humphreys of the Capone mob in Chicago: "If you ever have to cock a gun in a man's face, kill him. If you walk away without killing him after doing that, he'll kill you the next day." The Israelis could have, and should have, finished the Iran-adjacent Hamas terrorist organization when they had the chance, but of course they did not, and this is the result. "

Did Israel have the chance?

[bachophile]

the thing that always stopped it, was the price of war, too many soldiers dead. now we have (its going to be) 1000 dead and havent even crossed the border yet.

so this will get ugly, and lot of innocents will suffer, but a red line has been crossed which can never be redone. i dont think there will be negotiations for hostages. there will be all out war and if hostages die, its all part of the price for getting it done

[George K]

@bachophile said:

scattered reports about something in the north

[bachophile]

the idea is to bring hamas to its knees, and then some. till they beg to stop, and even then we wont until all their heads are served on a plate.

[bachophile]

ok, have some cancer patients now, gotta stop

[Axtremus]

@jon-nyc said in Hamas attacks Israel:

They’re still fighting to take back their own land.

Hamas is probably thinking this to themselves.

This large scale attack will accelerate Hamas’ demise.

[bachophile]

@George-K said in Hamas attacks Israel:

@bachophile said:

scattered reports about something in the north

all fine

some local bozos tried to shoot two mortar rounds over the fence

one landed in lebanon on the same side of the fence, the other in an open field over the border.

no infiltration

[Mik]

I remember Larry advocating to simply push them into the sea. This is the first time that seems possible.

[Jolly]

@Mik said in Hamas attacks Israel:

I remember Larry advocating to simply push them into the sea. This is the first time that seems possible.

I do know one thing...No attack this large was done without knowledge of the Palestinian government in Gaza.

[bachophile]

@Jolly not sure...that authority is leaky as a sieve , israeli intelligence is deep inside them

hamas is much more compartmentalized

if anyone knew, its hezbollah in lebanon, because they have similar operational plans. and if they know, maybe Iran knew.

but if Iran knew, that would be a big intelligence failure. Tehran is also pretty leaky in that respect. Too many Iranians on mossad or CIA payrolls.

[Aqua Letifer]

How much of this was a U.S. intelligence failure? Wasn't that a big part of our job, help see something this big coming?

[George K]

@Aqua-Letifer said in Hamas attacks Israel:

How much of this was a U.S. intelligence failure?

The fact that so much points to Iran and the recent revelation that US State had an Iranian asset at high levels (Malley), makes you wonder.

[bachophile]

now they say they did kill three infiltrators in the north who crossed from lebanon. nothing more.

[Copper]

The headline here this morning is the USS Gerald Ford strike group, based here in Norfolk, is headed to aid Israel. They could certainly supply some power. It will be interesting to see how it is used.

[George K]

CNN gave this guy a platform...

[George K]

"We call for a truce."

Something tells me that Bibi will not be very forgiving.

[Mik]

Yeah, I don't think he's much interested in a truce at the moment.