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  • George KG George K

    @jon-nyc said in Will McCarthy be Vacated from Speakership? Who Will Succeed McCarthy?:

    Funny, Horace, many many years ago I read a piece in the New Yorker I think by a very senior marriage counselor. He said that, in his experience, the biggest predictor of divorce is when one spouse rolls their eyes at the other. A sign of contempt or lack of respect if there ever was one.

    Gladwell makes a similar point in "Blink." He talks about a psychologist who looks at marriages:

    https://www.gottman.com/blog/the-four-horsemen-recognizing-criticism-contempt-defensiveness-and-stonewalling/


    Contempt

    The second horseman is contempt. When we communicate in this state, we are truly mean—we treat others with disrespect, mock them with sarcasm, ridicule, call them names, and mimic or use body language such as eye-rolling or scoffing. The target of contempt is made to feel despised and worthless.

    Contempt goes far beyond criticism. While criticism attacks your partner’s character, contempt assumes a position of moral superiority over them:

    “You’re ‘tired?’ Cry me a river. I’ve been with the kids all day, running around like mad to keep this house going and all you do when you come home from work is flop down on that sofa like a child and play those idiotic video games. I don’t have time to deal with another kid. Could you be any more pathetic?”

    Research even shows that couples that are contemptuous of each other are more likely to suffer from infectious illness (colds, the flu, etc.) than others due to weakened immune systems! Contempt is fueled by long-simmering negative thoughts about the partner—which come to a head when the perpetrator attacks the accused from a position of relative superiority.

    Most importantly, contempt is the single greatest predictor of divorce. It must be eliminated.


    Sorry to veer off-topic, Jon's comment brought this to mind.

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    @George-K said in Will McCarthy be Vacated from Speakership? Who Will Succeed McCarthy?:

    @jon-nyc said in Will McCarthy be Vacated from Speakership? Who Will Succeed McCarthy?:

    Funny, Horace, many many years ago I read a piece in the New Yorker I think by a very senior marriage counselor. He said that, in his experience, the biggest predictor of divorce is when one spouse rolls their eyes at the other. A sign of contempt or lack of respect if there ever was one.

    Gladwell makes a similar point in "Blink." He talks about a psychologist who looks at marriages:

    https://www.gottman.com/blog/the-four-horsemen-recognizing-criticism-contempt-defensiveness-and-stonewalling/


    Contempt

    The second horseman is contempt. When we communicate in this state, we are truly mean—we treat others with disrespect, mock them with sarcasm, ridicule, call them names, and mimic or use body language such as eye-rolling or scoffing. The target of contempt is made to feel despised and worthless.

    Contempt goes far beyond criticism. While criticism attacks your partner’s character, contempt assumes a position of moral superiority over them:

    “You’re ‘tired?’ Cry me a river. I’ve been with the kids all day, running around like mad to keep this house going and all you do when you come home from work is flop down on that sofa like a child and play those idiotic video games. I don’t have time to deal with another kid. Could you be any more pathetic?”

    Research even shows that couples that are contemptuous of each other are more likely to suffer from infectious illness (colds, the flu, etc.) than others due to weakened immune systems! Contempt is fueled by long-simmering negative thoughts about the partner—which come to a head when the perpetrator attacks the accused from a position of relative superiority.

    Most importantly, contempt is the single greatest predictor of divorce. It must be eliminated.


    Sorry to veer off-topic, Jon's comment brought this to mind.

    I heard it in some podcast interview with a marriage counselor.

    Education is extremely important.

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      #180

      https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/10/24/house-speaker-vote/

      The House GOP entered a process where they would vote by secret ballots, the candidate with the fewest vote in a round of voting is eliminated. Presumably the process would continue until there is a "last survivor." Even then there is no guarantee that the last survivor will make Speaker.

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        #181

        On the Democratic side:

        https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/10/24/democrats-response-house-speaker-jeffries/

        Rep. Ann Kuster (N.H.), chair of the New Democrat Coalition, said her group would back a bipartisan option, including a temporary speaker such as McHenry, with assurances that legislation backed by a majority of House members would get a vote.
“
        .
        ... She said the bedrock request of New Democrats, who represent a large bloc of moderates, is that “bills with bipartisan support that would pass the House come to the floor.”

        .
        Such legislation could include aid to Ukraine and government funding once current spending runs out in mid-November. ...

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        • AxtremusA Axtremus

          On the Democratic side:

          https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/10/24/democrats-response-house-speaker-jeffries/

          Rep. Ann Kuster (N.H.), chair of the New Democrat Coalition, said her group would back a bipartisan option, including a temporary speaker such as McHenry, with assurances that legislation backed by a majority of House members would get a vote.
“
          .
          ... She said the bedrock request of New Democrats, who represent a large bloc of moderates, is that “bills with bipartisan support that would pass the House come to the floor.”

          .
          Such legislation could include aid to Ukraine and government funding once current spending runs out in mid-November. ...

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          George K
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          @Axtremus said in Will McCarthy be Vacated from Speakership? Who Will Succeed McCarthy?:

          https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/10/24/democrats-response-house-speaker-jeffries/

          Rep. Ann Kuster (N.H.), chair of the New Democrat Coalition, said her group would back a bipartisan option, including a temporary speaker such as McHenry, with assurances that legislation backed by a majority of House members would get a vote.
“

          Presumably this means that the Speaker will no longer have the power to keep bills from hitting the floor.

          I've always thought that to be a kind of silly rule, giving one person that power.

          But, as usual, the devil's in the details.

          Who will count the "majority" of House members?

          Is this a permanent rule change, or only a temp solution to what's hopefully a temporary problem.

          Like many proposed changes (see Harry Reid), it can come around to bite someone in the ass.

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            #183

            By definition any rule they pass is temporary.

            I assume they way they’d decide is through voting - vote to take a bill to the floor and then vote the bill.

            Only non-witches get due process.

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              #184

              Imagine how much better off we’d be if that were a permanent rule in both chambers.

              Basically that’s what the founders envisioned.

              Only non-witches get due process.

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                Tom Emmer is the latest contestant in the game ‘who can unite 98.2% of the GOP caucus’.

                Only non-witches get due process.

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                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                  Tom Emmer is the latest contestant in the game ‘who can unite 98.2% of the GOP caucus’.

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                  @jon-nyc said in Will McCarthy be Vacated from Speakership? Who Will Succeed McCarthy?:

                  Tom Emmer is the latest contestant in the game ‘who can unite 98.2% of the GOP caucus’.

                  ...and most likely 100% of the Democrats 😆

                  I was only joking

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                    The Speaker controls what bills hit the floor when.

                    That is one of the primary powers of the office. I wouldn't give it up.

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      #188

                      Seems like an opening bid. The dems would probably accept a deal whereby he agrees to take a handful of key measures to the floor.

                      Only non-witches get due process.

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                        #189

                        What’s your over/under on Emmer? I say he doesn’t last until Monday.

                        Only non-witches get due process.

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                          #190

                          https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4272284-tom-emmer-wins-speaker-nomination-gop-third-try/

                          Emmers became the 3rd House GOP nominee for Speaker.

                          [Emmers] got 117 votes on the final ballot, while House Republican Conference Vice Chair Mike Johnson (R-La.) got 97. And in a roll call vote that followed, lawmakers said about 20 holdouts remained.

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                          • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                            Seems like an opening bid. The dems would probably accept a deal whereby he agrees to take a handful of key measures to the floor.

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                            @jon-nyc said in Will McCarthy be Vacated from Speakership? Who Will Succeed McCarthy?:

                            Seems like an opening bid. The dems would probably accept a deal whereby he agrees to take a handful of key measures to the floor.

                            Yes, exactly

                            He can always renege negotiate later.

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                              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                What’s your over/under on Emmer? I say he doesn’t last until Monday.

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                                @jon-nyc said in Will McCarthy be Vacated from Speakership? Who Will Succeed McCarthy?:

                                What’s your over/under on Emmer? I say he doesn’t last until Monday.

                                He didn't last out the day, I believe...

                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  Well, somebody can play REAL hardball. Wanna be Speaker? Go talk to the Dems. If Jeffries can deliver (and I think he can, they have much better cohesion) the bulk of his guys, how many Republicans would it take?

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    George K
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                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      Didn't the Romans try something like this?

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                        What’s your over/under on Emmer? I say he doesn’t last until Monday.

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                                        @jon-nyc said in Will McCarthy be Vacated from Speakership? Who Will Succeed McCarthy?:

                                        What’s your over/under on Emmer? I say he doesn’t last until Monday.

                                        https://apnews.com/article/house-speaker-republicans-emmer-mccarthy-c7ddb6abf4c7322f9fc44fdaa07791fc

                                        Emmers withdrew.

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                                          Johnson wins Speakership.

                                          Now, lets see if he can herd the cats better than McCarthy did.

                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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