Birthright Citizenship
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@George-K said in Birthright Citizenship:
Returning to my question: Are diplomats' children US Citizens? If not, how come?
They’re not “subject to the jurisdiction thereof”.
A buddy of mine was the son of the Italian consul in San Francisco years ago. I have stories,,,, imagine the most entitled 20 year old you ever met having diplomatic plates.
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@George-K said in Birthright Citizenship:
Returning to my question: Are diplomats' children US Citizens? If not, how come?
They’re not “subject to the jurisdiction thereof”.
A buddy of mine was the son of the Italian consul in San Francisco years ago. I have stories,,,, imagine the most entitled 20 year old you ever met having diplomatic plates.
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@Mik said in Birthright Citizenship:
I know what the text is. How have courts ruled on it? That’s what precedent is.
See if “United States v. Wong Kim Ark” floats your boat.
https://tile.loc.gov/storage-services/service/ll/usrep/usrep169/usrep169649/usrep169649.pdf -
@Mik said in Birthright Citizenship:
I know what the text is. How have courts ruled on it? That’s what precedent is.
See if “United States v. Wong Kim Ark” floats your boat.
https://tile.loc.gov/storage-services/service/ll/usrep/usrep169/usrep169649/usrep169649.pdf@Axtremus said in Birthright Citizenship:
See if “United States v. Wong Kim Ark” floats your boat.
https://tile.loc.gov/storage-services/service/ll/usrep/usrep169/usrep169649/usrep169649.pdfNot gonna read 80+ pages from 120 years ago.
Care to summarize?
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I think that the US should get rid of it, but like jolly said, it will probably require some difficulty.
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“The United States is among the only countries in the world that says even if neither parent is a citizen or even lawfully in the country, their future children are automatic citizens the moment the parents trespass onto our soil,” Trump said
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Under Trump’s proposal, at least one parent would need to be a citizen or legal resident for a child to receive birthright citizenship.
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Despite Trump’s pledge, the plan to end birthright citizenship is not specifically mentioned in the 2024 Republican platform document, which includes a chapter titled “Seal the Border and Stop the Migrant Invasion.”
The platform does include language pledging to “prioritize merit-based immigration” and end chain migration, a term used to refer to people who have U.S. citizenship and then use their status to help other family members enter the country.
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One of the things the article mentioned was birth tourists. It has gotten news in Chinese language news - mainland Chinese mothers to be coming to the US and staying long enough to give birth. They usually go back to China, but their son/daughter is now eligible for a US passport.
There have been some "birth hotels" in California that have been raided, etc.
(I do think something like the above is probably not that big a problem, but it does make good news story)
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One of the things the article mentioned was birth tourists. It has gotten news in Chinese language news - mainland Chinese mothers to be coming to the US and staying long enough to give birth. They usually go back to China, but their son/daughter is now eligible for a US passport.
There have been some "birth hotels" in California that have been raided, etc.
(I do think something like the above is probably not that big a problem, but it does make good news story)
@taiwan_girl said in Birthright Citizenship:
here have been some "birth hotels" in California that have been raided, etc.
I have taken care of more than one
undocumentedillegal immigrant who came to the US to give birth to a US citizen."Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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@taiwan_girl said in Birthright Citizenship:
here have been some "birth hotels" in California that have been raided, etc.
I have taken care of more than one
undocumentedillegal immigrant who came to the US to give birth to a US citizen.@George-K said in Birthright Citizenship:
@taiwan_girl said in Birthright Citizenship:
here have been some "birth hotels" in California that have been raided, etc.
I have taken care of more than one
undocumentedillegal immigrant who came to the US to give birth to a US citizen.How did you know they were illegal? Often they’re middle class and eligible for a tourist visa and take a plane here. Crossing on foot through the desert isn’t the most appealing thing for a woman who’s 8 months pregnant.
‘Birth tourism’ is not cheap, after all.
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@George-K said in Birthright Citizenship:
@taiwan_girl said in Birthright Citizenship:
here have been some "birth hotels" in California that have been raided, etc.
I have taken care of more than one
undocumentedillegal immigrant who came to the US to give birth to a US citizen.How did you know they were illegal? Often they’re middle class and eligible for a tourist visa and take a plane here. Crossing on foot through the desert isn’t the most appealing thing for a woman who’s 8 months pregnant.
‘Birth tourism’ is not cheap, after all.
@jon-nyc said in Birthright Citizenship:
@George-K said in Birthright Citizenship:
@taiwan_girl said in Birthright Citizenship:
here have been some "birth hotels" in California that have been raided, etc.
I have taken care of more than one
undocumentedillegal immigrant who came to the US to give birth to a US citizen.How did you know they were illegal? Often they’re middle class and eligible for a tourist visa and take a plane here. Crossing on foot through the desert isn’t the most appealing thing for a woman who’s 8 months pregnant.
‘Birth tourism’ is not cheap, after all.
We had them all the time. At least the migrant kind. The local nursery industry used a lot of illegal immigrant labor. EMTALA decrees you can't turn a woman in labor away. You put her in the hospital and deliver the baby.
As for the tourism bit...If I had a Chinese middle or upper class mother, seven or eight months pregnant, paying cash for her delivery...I'd take a hard look at that.
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There’s a distinction between illegal immogrants who come here for a better life and end up having a kid and those who make a trip here specifically to have their kid on US soil and then go home. The latter is a luxury good open to the higher ends of the middle classes and above. I’ve known a few myself.
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I see no difference, as far as citizenship is concerned. Being a U.S. citizen should mean something. With that citizenship comes all rights, privileges and responsibilities of being a citizen.
I see no problem with the proposal of discontinuing the "anchor babies". As to the particulars, I think that's open to discussion.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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Do these rich foreign women who travel to birth in the U.S. realize the lifelong IRS tax reporting obligations of the child once the child becomes 18.5 yrs? And how their child’s income, inheritances, can be taxed? Or how expensive and complicated Renunciation of U.S. Citizenship can get from abroad?
