Vivek on the "Tyranny of the Minority"
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wrote on 15 Aug 2023, 22:16 last edited by LuFins Dad
That’s a very real possibility. I don’t see the Trumpers moving position, but Trump can’t legitimately run the Presidency from a Georgia jail. And let’s face it, he’s going to jail. So unless Kemp issues a pardon, that only leaves the 25th.
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If Vivek accepts a VP position, he'll make himself a liar, as he's been clear that he would not accept, if offered.
wrote on 15 Aug 2023, 22:16 last edited by@Horace said in Vivek on the "Tyranny of the Minority":
If Vivek accepts a VP position, he'll make himself a liar, as he's been clear that he would not accept, if offered.
Sometimes a VP reluctantly accepts the call to serve.
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wrote on 15 Aug 2023, 22:17 last edited by
Imaging the pressure on a GOP governor of GA if he gets convicted. Kemp might just ride it out, though.
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@Horace said in Vivek on the "Tyranny of the Minority":
If Vivek accepts a VP position, he'll make himself a liar, as he's been clear that he would not accept, if offered.
Sometimes a VP reluctantly accepts the call to serve.
wrote on 15 Aug 2023, 22:18 last edited by@Copper said in Vivek on the "Tyranny of the Minority":
@Horace said in Vivek on the "Tyranny of the Minority":
If Vivek accepts a VP position, he'll make himself a liar, as he's been clear that he would not accept, if offered.
Sometimes a VP reluctantly accepts the call to serve.
It's also an easy story to tell. "Well I wasn't interested in being VP, but when the president asks you to serve your country...."
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wrote on 15 Aug 2023, 22:28 last edited by
How will the Trumpists react if a VP were to invoke the 25th on Trump?
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Imaging the pressure on a GOP governor of GA if he gets convicted. Kemp might just ride it out, though.
wrote on 15 Aug 2023, 22:32 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Vivek on the "Tyranny of the Minority":
Imaging the pressure on a GOP governor of GA if he gets convicted. Kemp might just ride it out, though.
Hence my “Kemp is having a helluva week “ post
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How will the Trumpists react if a VP were to invoke the 25th on Trump?
More peaceful selfie-takings at or near the White House?wrote on 15 Aug 2023, 22:39 last edited by@Axtremus said in Vivek on the "Tyranny of the Minority":
How will the Trumpists react if a VP were to invoke the 25th on Trump?
More peaceful selfie-takings at or near the White House?A couple of posts behind… But here’s one for you. What if Trump runs on the premise that he’s going to jail and has personally selected ————— (VP) to serve in his stead as a surrogate. Trump gets to be elected president Aaaand gets to be kingmaker all at the same time.
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@Axtremus said in Vivek on the "Tyranny of the Minority":
How will the Trumpists react if a VP were to invoke the 25th on Trump?
More peaceful selfie-takings at or near the White House?A couple of posts behind… But here’s one for you. What if Trump runs on the premise that he’s going to jail and has personally selected ————— (VP) to serve in his stead as a surrogate. Trump gets to be elected president Aaaand gets to be kingmaker all at the same time.
wrote on 16 Aug 2023, 00:03 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in Vivek on the "Tyranny of the Minority":
@Axtremus said in Vivek on the "Tyranny of the Minority":
How will the Trumpists react if a VP were to invoke the 25th on Trump?
More peaceful selfie-takings at or near the White House?A couple of posts behind… But here’s one for you. What if Trump runs on the premise that he’s going to jail and has personally selected ————— (VP) to serve in his stead as a surrogate. Trump gets to be elected president Aaaand gets to be kingmaker all at the same time.
That would require Trump publicly admitting to (1) losing all these court cases, (2) going to jail, (3) his inability to do the POTUS job. You think Trump will be willing to admit to any of those?
Even if that’s the plan, when do you think the Trump campaign will publicly say that that is the plan? When do you think would be the best (or “least bad”) time for a Presidential campaign to make such a public announcement? Before Iowa/New Hampshire primaries? Before South Carolina? Before Super Tuesday? After the the primary? At the national Republican Convention?
And imagine the campaign ads and talking points from Trump’s opponents after the Trump campaign announces such a plan!
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@LuFins-Dad said in Vivek on the "Tyranny of the Minority":
@Axtremus said in Vivek on the "Tyranny of the Minority":
How will the Trumpists react if a VP were to invoke the 25th on Trump?
More peaceful selfie-takings at or near the White House?A couple of posts behind… But here’s one for you. What if Trump runs on the premise that he’s going to jail and has personally selected ————— (VP) to serve in his stead as a surrogate. Trump gets to be elected president Aaaand gets to be kingmaker all at the same time.
That would require Trump publicly admitting to (1) losing all these court cases, (2) going to jail, (3) his inability to do the POTUS job. You think Trump will be willing to admit to any of those?
Even if that’s the plan, when do you think the Trump campaign will publicly say that that is the plan? When do you think would be the best (or “least bad”) time for a Presidential campaign to make such a public announcement? Before Iowa/New Hampshire primaries? Before South Carolina? Before Super Tuesday? After the the primary? At the national Republican Convention?
And imagine the campaign ads and talking points from Trump’s opponents after the Trump campaign announces such a plan!
wrote on 16 Aug 2023, 00:08 last edited by@Axtremus said in Vivek on the "Tyranny of the Minority":
You think Trump will be willing to admit to any of those?
Why would he?
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If Vivek accepts a VP position, he'll make himself a liar, as he's been clear that he would not accept, if offered.
wrote on 16 Aug 2023, 00:32 last edited by@Horace said in Vivek on the "Tyranny of the Minority":
If Vivek accepts a VP position, he'll make himself a liar, as he's been clear that he would not accept, if offered.
There's a first time for everything in politics.
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wrote on 16 Aug 2023, 02:34 last edited by
Well reasoned and stated. My daughter and I had a similar if in much more depth conversation on the way today.
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wrote on 17 Aug 2023, 02:05 last edited by
https://www.yahoo.com/news/gop-presidential-candidate-vivek-ramaswamy-221416646.html
"Republican presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy said China could invade Taiwan without major consequences from the U.S. once he has hypothetically attained the nation’s “semiconductor independence” in 2028."
ANd I am guessing he will solve the Ukraine invasion the same way.
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wrote on 17 Aug 2023, 17:16 last edited by Horace
Heard the first fringey think from Vivek recently. He hand waves our participation in the Ukraine war as motivated entirely by bribes to Biden via Hunter. I’m all for pushing back against the moral panic that is American culture’s support for Ukraine, but the notion that it would be totally different without the Hunter bribes is ridiculous.
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Heard the first fringey think from Vivek recently. He hand waves our participation in the Ukraine war as motivated entirely by bribes to Biden via Hunter. I’m all for pushing back against the moral panic that is American culture’s support for Ukraine, but the notion that it would be totally different without the Hunter bribes is ridiculous.
wrote on 17 Aug 2023, 17:38 last edited by@Horace said in Vivek on the "Tyranny of the Minority":
Heard the first fringey think from Vivek recently. He hand waves our participation in the Ukraine war as motivated entirely by bribes to Biden via Hunter. I’m all for pushing back against the moral panic that is American culture’s support for Ukraine, but the notion that it would be totally different without the Hunter bribes is ridiculous.
Yeah, that's nuts. Is he saying this because he actually believes it, or is he pandering to capture the crazy vote?
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wrote on 17 Aug 2023, 17:50 last edited by
I assume he believes it. It’s not hard to game out as a bad political message in the general.
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I assume he believes it. It’s not hard to game out as a bad political message in the general.
wrote on 17 Aug 2023, 18:43 last edited by@Horace said in Vivek on the "Tyranny of the Minority":
I assume he believes it. It’s not hard to game out as a bad political message in the general.
Kinda' weird, then. Still, it might be less disconcerting for a fair chunk of potential voters than the fact that he's a Hindu.
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Heard the first fringey think from Vivek recently. He hand waves our participation in the Ukraine war as motivated entirely by bribes to Biden via Hunter. I’m all for pushing back against the moral panic that is American culture’s support for Ukraine, but the notion that it would be totally different without the Hunter bribes is ridiculous.
wrote on 17 Aug 2023, 19:43 last edited byI’m all for pushing back against the moral panic that is American culture’s support for Ukraine….
I am not seeing any moral panic in American culture in support of Ukraine. I am afraid that I am just not that plugged into the progressive beat you claim is out there.
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I’m all for pushing back against the moral panic that is American culture’s support for Ukraine….
I am not seeing any moral panic in American culture in support of Ukraine. I am afraid that I am just not that plugged into the progressive beat you claim is out there.
wrote on 17 Aug 2023, 21:48 last edited by@Renauda said in Vivek on the "Tyranny of the Minority":
I’m all for pushing back against the moral panic that is American culture’s support for Ukraine….
I am not seeing any moral panic in American culture in support of Ukraine. I am afraid that I am just not that plugged into the progressive beat you claim is out there.
ad homs about low moral character are the first line of defense against anybody not fully on board with a pro Ukraine narrative. I don’t mean that’s the only reason anybody wants the US to support Ukraine. I just mean that’s the reasoning of the masses.
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wrote on 17 Aug 2023, 23:29 last edited by Renauda
ad homs don’t make it as moral indignation or outrage in this instance. You ought to hear the ad homs coming from the other side.