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Vivek on the "Tyranny of the Minority"

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  • jon-nycJ Online
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    jon-nyc
    wrote on last edited by jon-nyc
    #14

    Of course he is. They all are except DeSantis, Christie, and Pence. At least of the major candidates.

    "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
    -Cormac McCarthy

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    • LuFins DadL Offline
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      LuFins Dad
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      #15

      The interesting question is what happens when VP Ramaswamy invokes the 25th because Trump can not actually run the office of President in jail.

      Of course, there’s also the question of what Kemp decides…

      The Brad

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      • HoraceH Offline
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        If Vivek accepts a VP position, he'll make himself a liar, as he's been clear that he would not accept, if offered.

        Education is extremely important.

        LuFins DadL jon-nycJ CopperC Doctor PhibesD 4 Replies Last reply
        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

          Do you think he means it, or just considers it table stakes for the GOP primary?

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          #17

          @jon-nyc said in Vivek on the "Tyranny of the Minority":

          Do you think he means it, or just considers it table stakes for the GOP primary?

          I think he has some genuine respect for the job Trump did as president. The advisor stuff seems like empty talk.

          Education is extremely important.

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          • HoraceH Horace

            If Vivek accepts a VP position, he'll make himself a liar, as he's been clear that he would not accept, if offered.

            LuFins DadL Offline
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            #18

            @Horace said in Vivek on the "Tyranny of the Minority":

            If Vivek accepts a VP position, he'll make himself a liar, as he's been clear that he would not accept, if offered.

            What if the VP is the presidency?

            The Brad

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            • HoraceH Horace

              If Vivek accepts a VP position, he'll make himself a liar, as he's been clear that he would not accept, if offered.

              jon-nycJ Online
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              jon-nyc
              wrote on last edited by
              #19

              @Horace said in Vivek on the "Tyranny of the Minority":

              If Vivek accepts a VP position, he'll make himself a liar, as he's been clear that he would not accept, if offered.

              Maybe at 38 he's running for cabinet secretary and a 30 year future in the GOP.

              "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
              -Cormac McCarthy

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              • LuFins DadL Offline
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                #20

                That’s a very real possibility. I don’t see the Trumpers moving position, but Trump can’t legitimately run the Presidency from a Georgia jail. And let’s face it, he’s going to jail. So unless Kemp issues a pardon, that only leaves the 25th.
                .

                The Brad

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                • HoraceH Horace

                  If Vivek accepts a VP position, he'll make himself a liar, as he's been clear that he would not accept, if offered.

                  CopperC Offline
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                  @Horace said in Vivek on the "Tyranny of the Minority":

                  If Vivek accepts a VP position, he'll make himself a liar, as he's been clear that he would not accept, if offered.

                  Sometimes a VP reluctantly accepts the call to serve.

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                  • jon-nycJ Online
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                    jon-nyc
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                    #22

                    Imaging the pressure on a GOP governor of GA if he gets convicted. Kemp might just ride it out, though.

                    "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                    -Cormac McCarthy

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                    • CopperC Copper

                      @Horace said in Vivek on the "Tyranny of the Minority":

                      If Vivek accepts a VP position, he'll make himself a liar, as he's been clear that he would not accept, if offered.

                      Sometimes a VP reluctantly accepts the call to serve.

                      jon-nycJ Online
                      jon-nycJ Online
                      jon-nyc
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #23

                      @Copper said in Vivek on the "Tyranny of the Minority":

                      @Horace said in Vivek on the "Tyranny of the Minority":

                      If Vivek accepts a VP position, he'll make himself a liar, as he's been clear that he would not accept, if offered.

                      Sometimes a VP reluctantly accepts the call to serve.

                      It's also an easy story to tell. "Well I wasn't interested in being VP, but when the president asks you to serve your country...."

                      "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                      -Cormac McCarthy

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                      • AxtremusA Offline
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                        How will the Trumpists react if a VP were to invoke the 25th on Trump?
                        More peaceful selfie-takings at or near the White House?

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                        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                          Imaging the pressure on a GOP governor of GA if he gets convicted. Kemp might just ride it out, though.

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                          @jon-nyc said in Vivek on the "Tyranny of the Minority":

                          Imaging the pressure on a GOP governor of GA if he gets convicted. Kemp might just ride it out, though.

                          Hence my “Kemp is having a helluva week “ post

                          The Brad

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                          • AxtremusA Axtremus

                            How will the Trumpists react if a VP were to invoke the 25th on Trump?
                            More peaceful selfie-takings at or near the White House?

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                            @Axtremus said in Vivek on the "Tyranny of the Minority":

                            How will the Trumpists react if a VP were to invoke the 25th on Trump?
                            More peaceful selfie-takings at or near the White House?

                            A couple of posts behind… But here’s one for you. What if Trump runs on the premise that he’s going to jail and has personally selected ————— (VP) to serve in his stead as a surrogate. Trump gets to be elected president Aaaand gets to be kingmaker all at the same time.

                            The Brad

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                            • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                              @Axtremus said in Vivek on the "Tyranny of the Minority":

                              How will the Trumpists react if a VP were to invoke the 25th on Trump?
                              More peaceful selfie-takings at or near the White House?

                              A couple of posts behind… But here’s one for you. What if Trump runs on the premise that he’s going to jail and has personally selected ————— (VP) to serve in his stead as a surrogate. Trump gets to be elected president Aaaand gets to be kingmaker all at the same time.

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                              @LuFins-Dad said in Vivek on the "Tyranny of the Minority":

                              @Axtremus said in Vivek on the "Tyranny of the Minority":

                              How will the Trumpists react if a VP were to invoke the 25th on Trump?
                              More peaceful selfie-takings at or near the White House?

                              A couple of posts behind… But here’s one for you. What if Trump runs on the premise that he’s going to jail and has personally selected ————— (VP) to serve in his stead as a surrogate. Trump gets to be elected president Aaaand gets to be kingmaker all at the same time.

                              That would require Trump publicly admitting to (1) losing all these court cases, (2) going to jail, (3) his inability to do the POTUS job. You think Trump will be willing to admit to any of those?

                              Even if that’s the plan, when do you think the Trump campaign will publicly say that that is the plan? When do you think would be the best (or “least bad”) time for a Presidential campaign to make such a public announcement? Before Iowa/New Hampshire primaries? Before South Carolina? Before Super Tuesday? After the the primary? At the national Republican Convention?

                              And imagine the campaign ads and talking points from Trump’s opponents after the Trump campaign announces such a plan!

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                              • AxtremusA Axtremus

                                @LuFins-Dad said in Vivek on the "Tyranny of the Minority":

                                @Axtremus said in Vivek on the "Tyranny of the Minority":

                                How will the Trumpists react if a VP were to invoke the 25th on Trump?
                                More peaceful selfie-takings at or near the White House?

                                A couple of posts behind… But here’s one for you. What if Trump runs on the premise that he’s going to jail and has personally selected ————— (VP) to serve in his stead as a surrogate. Trump gets to be elected president Aaaand gets to be kingmaker all at the same time.

                                That would require Trump publicly admitting to (1) losing all these court cases, (2) going to jail, (3) his inability to do the POTUS job. You think Trump will be willing to admit to any of those?

                                Even if that’s the plan, when do you think the Trump campaign will publicly say that that is the plan? When do you think would be the best (or “least bad”) time for a Presidential campaign to make such a public announcement? Before Iowa/New Hampshire primaries? Before South Carolina? Before Super Tuesday? After the the primary? At the national Republican Convention?

                                And imagine the campaign ads and talking points from Trump’s opponents after the Trump campaign announces such a plan!

                                CopperC Offline
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                                wrote on last edited by
                                #28

                                @Axtremus said in Vivek on the "Tyranny of the Minority":

                                You think Trump will be willing to admit to any of those?

                                Why would he?

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                                • HoraceH Horace

                                  If Vivek accepts a VP position, he'll make himself a liar, as he's been clear that he would not accept, if offered.

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                                  @Horace said in Vivek on the "Tyranny of the Minority":

                                  If Vivek accepts a VP position, he'll make himself a liar, as he's been clear that he would not accept, if offered.

                                  There's a first time for everything in politics.

                                  I was only joking

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                                  • MikM Away
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                                    Mik
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                                    #30

                                    Well reasoned and stated. My daughter and I had a similar if in much more depth conversation on the way today.

                                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                      https://www.yahoo.com/news/gop-presidential-candidate-vivek-ramaswamy-221416646.html

                                      "Republican presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy said China could invade Taiwan without major consequences from the U.S. once he has hypothetically attained the nation’s “semiconductor independence” in 2028."

                                      ANd I am guessing he will solve the Ukraine invasion the same way.

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                                        Heard the first fringey think from Vivek recently. He hand waves our participation in the Ukraine war as motivated entirely by bribes to Biden via Hunter. I’m all for pushing back against the moral panic that is American culture’s support for Ukraine, but the notion that it would be totally different without the Hunter bribes is ridiculous.

                                        Education is extremely important.

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                                        • HoraceH Horace

                                          Heard the first fringey think from Vivek recently. He hand waves our participation in the Ukraine war as motivated entirely by bribes to Biden via Hunter. I’m all for pushing back against the moral panic that is American culture’s support for Ukraine, but the notion that it would be totally different without the Hunter bribes is ridiculous.

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                                          @Horace said in Vivek on the "Tyranny of the Minority":

                                          Heard the first fringey think from Vivek recently. He hand waves our participation in the Ukraine war as motivated entirely by bribes to Biden via Hunter. I’m all for pushing back against the moral panic that is American culture’s support for Ukraine, but the notion that it would be totally different without the Hunter bribes is ridiculous.

                                          Yeah, that's nuts. Is he saying this because he actually believes it, or is he pandering to capture the crazy vote?

                                          I was only joking

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