NPs sue to use "Doctor" title

[Jolly]

A word about doctors. Real doctors.

Medical school is very hard to get into. Knew a lot of guys who were double majors (Chemistry/Zoo), with a heavy dollop of rounding courses, from physics, foreign languages and philosophy/theology. Once you got there, it was no guarantee you would stay there. And once you get through that strain, you get to do your residency, which is no fun, either. So, after 6-10 years of post graduate education, you get to finally practice on your own, with a mountain of debt, high taxation and government/insurance companies telling you how to do your job.

Ain't no NP doctorate anywhere near that. Not in the same galaxy.

[Jon]

I’m curious what the constitutional take would be. It wouldn’t surprise me to see them prevail, at least in public. I imagine employers would still have control over what their name badges say.

I agree it’s a horror show for patients though.

[Horace]

We'll be thankful for AIs when they make up for incompetent medical practitioners.

[Mik]

AI could be useful in making deeper inquiries than PCPs might normally do. Where it might fail is interpreting patient responses.

[Axtremus]

@Jolly said in NPs sue to use "Doctor" title:

Hell to the no.

"Right to work."

[Copper]

Some one of you doctors should have trademarked that word a long time ago.

[George K]

https://www.statnews.com/2023/07/17/doctor-honorific-nurses-with-doctorates/?utm_campaign=twitter_organic&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

[George K]

@Axtremus said in NPs sue to use "Doctor" title:

@Jolly said in NPs sue to use "Doctor" title:

Hell to the no.

"Right to work."

What does that even mean in this context?

[Jolly]

@Axtremus said in NPs sue to use "Doctor" title:

@Jolly said in NPs sue to use "Doctor" title:

Hell to the no.

"Right to work."

Everybody has a right to work. Nobody has a right to lie.

[Axtremus]

@Jolly said in NPs sue to use "Doctor" title:

@Axtremus said in NPs sue to use "Doctor" title:

@Jolly said in NPs sue to use "Doctor" title:

Hell to the no.

"Right to work."

Everybody has a right to work. Nobody has a right to lie.

Right to work whatever job you choose.

[LuFins Dad]

@George-K said in NPs sue to use "Doctor" title:

https://www.statnews.com/2023/07/17/doctor-honorific-nurses-with-doctorates/?utm_campaign=twitter_organic&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

Referring to only physicians as “doctors” when other clinicians hold doctorates sends a divisive and hierarchical message that erodes interdisciplinary respect and collaboration. It also enables power dynamics contrary to modern health care’s push to dismantle paternalism.

Uhm, there’s a damn good reason for the roles to be divided and for there to be a clear and distinct hierarchy in a healthcare setting.

[George K]

@Axtremus said in NPs sue to use "Doctor" title:

Right to work whatever job you choose.

Cool! I wanna be an astronaut! Where to I go to start training?

[Jon]

@George-K said in NPs sue to use "Doctor" title:

https://www.statnews.com/2023/07/17/doctor-honorific-nurses-with-doctorates/?utm_campaign=twitter_organic&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

DeSantis vetoed the bill which would have prevented Nurse PhDs from calling themselves Dr.

[George K]

@Jon googling around, I can't find the reasoning behind DeSantis' thinking.

A possibility is here, from the optometrists:

For months, optometry has been vigorously fighting to push back against SB 230, a Florida bill threatening to ban ODs from using the titles “doctor” and “physician” and subjecting them to a felony prosecution for doing so. Earlier today, optometrists and advocates finally saw the fruits of their labor when Governor Ron DeSantis vetoed the harmful legislation.

A felony?

[Jon]

Yeah also you never know what else was in the bill.

But optometrists and chiropractors probably had a fit.

[George K]

More:

https://www.reviewofoptometry.com/news/article/florida-bill-remains-a-threat-to-ods-right-to-use-doctor-physician-titles

The original bill, SB 230, proposed that while other medical specialists with similar four-year post-graduate degrees, such as dentists, chiropractors and podiatrists, would still be able to identify themselves using these terms, optometrists would not be allowed due to the exclusion of the terms from the state’s optometric practice act.

I haven't seen anything about NPs or APNs in the context of the veto.

[Rainman]

So Klaus, what do your students in Germany call you in the classroom? Herr Doktor, Herr Professor? Or maybe by now it's just "hey dude" or the more casual "yo?"

[Klaus]

Usually it's just a straight "a**hole". I insist on them using xe/xer pronouns, though.

[LuFins Dad]

@Klaus said in NPs sue to use "Doctor" title:

Usually it's just a straight "a**hole". I insist on them using xe/xer pronouns, though.

“Straight a**hole” and xe/xer pronouns are kind of contradictory ideas…

[George K]

@Rainman said in NPs sue to use "Doctor" title:

Herr Doktor, Herr Professor

I believe "Herr Professor" is considered a higher academic rank than "Herr Doktor," right?