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NPs sue to use "Doctor" title

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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
    wrote on last edited by
    #3

    I'm waiting to hear Doctor Jill's take.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • JollyJ Offline
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      Jolly
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      #4

      Hell to the no.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      • JollyJ Offline
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        Jolly
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        #5

        A word about doctors. Real doctors.

        Medical school is very hard to get into. Knew a lot of guys who were double majors (Chemistry/Zoo), with a heavy dollop of rounding courses, from physics, foreign languages and philosophy/theology. Once you got there, it was no guarantee you would stay there. And once you get through that strain, you get to do your residency, which is no fun, either. So, after 6-10 years of post graduate education, you get to finally practice on your own, with a mountain of debt, high taxation and government/insurance companies telling you how to do your job.

        Ain't no NP doctorate anywhere near that. Not in the same galaxy.

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        • JonJ Offline
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          Jon
          wrote on last edited by
          #6

          I’m curious what the constitutional take would be. It wouldn’t surprise me to see them prevail, at least in public. I imagine employers would still have control over what their name badges say.

          I agree it’s a horror show for patients though.

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          • HoraceH Offline
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            Horace
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            #7

            We'll be thankful for AIs when they make up for incompetent medical practitioners.

            Education is extremely important.

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            • MikM Offline
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              Mik
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              #8

              AI could be useful in making deeper inquiries than PCPs might normally do. Where it might fail is interpreting patient responses.

              "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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              • JollyJ Jolly

                Hell to the no.

                AxtremusA Offline
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                Axtremus
                wrote on last edited by
                #9

                @Jolly said in NPs sue to use "Doctor" title:

                Hell to the no.

                "Right to work."

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                • CopperC Offline
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                  Copper
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                  #10

                  Some one of you doctors should have trademarked that word a long time ago.

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                  • George KG Offline
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                    George K
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #11

                    https://www.statnews.com/2023/07/17/doctor-honorific-nurses-with-doctorates/?utm_campaign=twitter_organic&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • AxtremusA Axtremus

                      @Jolly said in NPs sue to use "Doctor" title:

                      Hell to the no.

                      "Right to work."

                      George KG Offline
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                      George K
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #12

                      @Axtremus said in NPs sue to use "Doctor" title:

                      @Jolly said in NPs sue to use "Doctor" title:

                      Hell to the no.

                      "Right to work."

                      What does that even mean in this context?

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      • AxtremusA Axtremus

                        @Jolly said in NPs sue to use "Doctor" title:

                        Hell to the no.

                        "Right to work."

                        JollyJ Offline
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                        Jolly
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #13

                        @Axtremus said in NPs sue to use "Doctor" title:

                        @Jolly said in NPs sue to use "Doctor" title:

                        Hell to the no.

                        "Right to work."

                        Everybody has a right to work. Nobody has a right to lie.

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        • JollyJ Jolly

                          @Axtremus said in NPs sue to use "Doctor" title:

                          @Jolly said in NPs sue to use "Doctor" title:

                          Hell to the no.

                          "Right to work."

                          Everybody has a right to work. Nobody has a right to lie.

                          AxtremusA Offline
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                          Axtremus
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                          #14

                          @Jolly said in NPs sue to use "Doctor" title:

                          @Axtremus said in NPs sue to use "Doctor" title:

                          @Jolly said in NPs sue to use "Doctor" title:

                          Hell to the no.

                          "Right to work."

                          Everybody has a right to work. Nobody has a right to lie.

                          Right to work whatever job you choose.

                          George KG JollyJ 2 Replies Last reply
                          • George KG George K

                            https://www.statnews.com/2023/07/17/doctor-honorific-nurses-with-doctorates/?utm_campaign=twitter_organic&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

                            LuFins DadL Offline
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                            LuFins Dad
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                            @George-K said in NPs sue to use "Doctor" title:

                            https://www.statnews.com/2023/07/17/doctor-honorific-nurses-with-doctorates/?utm_campaign=twitter_organic&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

                            Referring to only physicians as “doctors” when other clinicians hold doctorates sends a divisive and hierarchical message that erodes interdisciplinary respect and collaboration. It also enables power dynamics contrary to modern health care’s push to dismantle paternalism.

                            Uhm, there’s a damn good reason for the roles to be divided and for there to be a clear and distinct hierarchy in a healthcare setting.

                            The Brad

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                            • AxtremusA Axtremus

                              @Jolly said in NPs sue to use "Doctor" title:

                              @Axtremus said in NPs sue to use "Doctor" title:

                              @Jolly said in NPs sue to use "Doctor" title:

                              Hell to the no.

                              "Right to work."

                              Everybody has a right to work. Nobody has a right to lie.

                              Right to work whatever job you choose.

                              George KG Offline
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                              George K
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #16

                              @Axtremus said in NPs sue to use "Doctor" title:

                              Right to work whatever job you choose.

                              Cool! I wanna be an astronaut! Where to I go to start training?

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              • George KG George K

                                https://www.statnews.com/2023/07/17/doctor-honorific-nurses-with-doctorates/?utm_campaign=twitter_organic&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

                                JonJ Offline
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                                Jon
                                wrote on last edited by Jon
                                #17

                                @George-K said in NPs sue to use "Doctor" title:

                                https://www.statnews.com/2023/07/17/doctor-honorific-nurses-with-doctorates/?utm_campaign=twitter_organic&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

                                DeSantis vetoed the bill which would have prevented Nurse PhDs from calling themselves Dr.

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                                • JonJ Jon

                                  @George-K said in NPs sue to use "Doctor" title:

                                  https://www.statnews.com/2023/07/17/doctor-honorific-nurses-with-doctorates/?utm_campaign=twitter_organic&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

                                  DeSantis vetoed the bill which would have prevented Nurse PhDs from calling themselves Dr.

                                  George KG Offline
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                                  George K
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #18

                                  @Jon googling around, I can't find the reasoning behind DeSantis' thinking.

                                  A possibility is here, from the optometrists:

                                  For months, optometry has been vigorously fighting to push back against SB 230, a Florida bill threatening to ban ODs from using the titles “doctor” and “physician” and subjecting them to a felony prosecution for doing so. Earlier today, optometrists and advocates finally saw the fruits of their labor when Governor Ron DeSantis vetoed the harmful legislation.

                                  A felony?

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  • JonJ Offline
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                                    Jon
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #19

                                    Yeah also you never know what else was in the bill.

                                    But optometrists and chiropractors probably had a fit.

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                                    • George KG Offline
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                                      George K
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #20

                                      More:

                                      https://www.reviewofoptometry.com/news/article/florida-bill-remains-a-threat-to-ods-right-to-use-doctor-physician-titles

                                      The original bill, SB 230, proposed that while other medical specialists with similar four-year post-graduate degrees, such as dentists, chiropractors and podiatrists, would still be able to identify themselves using these terms, optometrists would not be allowed due to the exclusion of the terms from the state’s optometric practice act.

                                      I haven't seen anything about NPs or APNs in the context of the veto.

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      • RainmanR Offline
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                                        Rainman
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #21

                                        So Klaus, what do your students in Germany call you in the classroom? Herr Doktor, Herr Professor? Or maybe by now it's just "hey dude" or the more casual "yo?"

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                                          Klaus
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                                          Usually it's just a straight "a**hole". I insist on them using xe/xer pronouns, though.

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