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  • AxtremusA Axtremus

    @Jolly said in NPs sue to use "Doctor" title:

    Hell to the no.

    "Right to work."

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    George K
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    #12

    @Axtremus said in NPs sue to use "Doctor" title:

    @Jolly said in NPs sue to use "Doctor" title:

    Hell to the no.

    "Right to work."

    What does that even mean in this context?

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • AxtremusA Axtremus

      @Jolly said in NPs sue to use "Doctor" title:

      Hell to the no.

      "Right to work."

      JollyJ Offline
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      Jolly
      wrote on last edited by
      #13

      @Axtremus said in NPs sue to use "Doctor" title:

      @Jolly said in NPs sue to use "Doctor" title:

      Hell to the no.

      "Right to work."

      Everybody has a right to work. Nobody has a right to lie.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      • JollyJ Jolly

        @Axtremus said in NPs sue to use "Doctor" title:

        @Jolly said in NPs sue to use "Doctor" title:

        Hell to the no.

        "Right to work."

        Everybody has a right to work. Nobody has a right to lie.

        AxtremusA Offline
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        Axtremus
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        #14

        @Jolly said in NPs sue to use "Doctor" title:

        @Axtremus said in NPs sue to use "Doctor" title:

        @Jolly said in NPs sue to use "Doctor" title:

        Hell to the no.

        "Right to work."

        Everybody has a right to work. Nobody has a right to lie.

        Right to work whatever job you choose.

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        • George KG George K

          https://www.statnews.com/2023/07/17/doctor-honorific-nurses-with-doctorates/?utm_campaign=twitter_organic&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

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          #15

          @George-K said in NPs sue to use "Doctor" title:

          https://www.statnews.com/2023/07/17/doctor-honorific-nurses-with-doctorates/?utm_campaign=twitter_organic&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

          Referring to only physicians as “doctors” when other clinicians hold doctorates sends a divisive and hierarchical message that erodes interdisciplinary respect and collaboration. It also enables power dynamics contrary to modern health care’s push to dismantle paternalism.

          Uhm, there’s a damn good reason for the roles to be divided and for there to be a clear and distinct hierarchy in a healthcare setting.

          The Brad

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          • AxtremusA Axtremus

            @Jolly said in NPs sue to use "Doctor" title:

            @Axtremus said in NPs sue to use "Doctor" title:

            @Jolly said in NPs sue to use "Doctor" title:

            Hell to the no.

            "Right to work."

            Everybody has a right to work. Nobody has a right to lie.

            Right to work whatever job you choose.

            George KG Offline
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            George K
            wrote on last edited by
            #16

            @Axtremus said in NPs sue to use "Doctor" title:

            Right to work whatever job you choose.

            Cool! I wanna be an astronaut! Where to I go to start training?

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            • George KG George K

              https://www.statnews.com/2023/07/17/doctor-honorific-nurses-with-doctorates/?utm_campaign=twitter_organic&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

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              #17

              @George-K said in NPs sue to use "Doctor" title:

              https://www.statnews.com/2023/07/17/doctor-honorific-nurses-with-doctorates/?utm_campaign=twitter_organic&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

              DeSantis vetoed the bill which would have prevented Nurse PhDs from calling themselves Dr.

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              • JonJ Jon

                @George-K said in NPs sue to use "Doctor" title:

                https://www.statnews.com/2023/07/17/doctor-honorific-nurses-with-doctorates/?utm_campaign=twitter_organic&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

                DeSantis vetoed the bill which would have prevented Nurse PhDs from calling themselves Dr.

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                George K
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                #18

                @Jon googling around, I can't find the reasoning behind DeSantis' thinking.

                A possibility is here, from the optometrists:

                For months, optometry has been vigorously fighting to push back against SB 230, a Florida bill threatening to ban ODs from using the titles “doctor” and “physician” and subjecting them to a felony prosecution for doing so. Earlier today, optometrists and advocates finally saw the fruits of their labor when Governor Ron DeSantis vetoed the harmful legislation.

                A felony?

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  Jon
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                  #19

                  Yeah also you never know what else was in the bill.

                  But optometrists and chiropractors probably had a fit.

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                    George K
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                    #20

                    More:

                    https://www.reviewofoptometry.com/news/article/florida-bill-remains-a-threat-to-ods-right-to-use-doctor-physician-titles

                    The original bill, SB 230, proposed that while other medical specialists with similar four-year post-graduate degrees, such as dentists, chiropractors and podiatrists, would still be able to identify themselves using these terms, optometrists would not be allowed due to the exclusion of the terms from the state’s optometric practice act.

                    I haven't seen anything about NPs or APNs in the context of the veto.

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      So Klaus, what do your students in Germany call you in the classroom? Herr Doktor, Herr Professor? Or maybe by now it's just "hey dude" or the more casual "yo?"

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                        Usually it's just a straight "a**hole". I insist on them using xe/xer pronouns, though.

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                        • KlausK Klaus

                          Usually it's just a straight "a**hole". I insist on them using xe/xer pronouns, though.

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                          @Klaus said in NPs sue to use "Doctor" title:

                          Usually it's just a straight "a**hole". I insist on them using xe/xer pronouns, though.

                          “Straight a**hole” and xe/xer pronouns are kind of contradictory ideas…

                          The Brad

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                          • RainmanR Rainman

                            So Klaus, what do your students in Germany call you in the classroom? Herr Doktor, Herr Professor? Or maybe by now it's just "hey dude" or the more casual "yo?"

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                            George K
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                            @Rainman said in NPs sue to use "Doctor" title:

                            Herr Doktor, Herr Professor

                            I believe "Herr Professor" is considered a higher academic rank than "Herr Doktor," right?

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            • AxtremusA Axtremus

                              @Jolly said in NPs sue to use "Doctor" title:

                              @Axtremus said in NPs sue to use "Doctor" title:

                              @Jolly said in NPs sue to use "Doctor" title:

                              Hell to the no.

                              "Right to work."

                              Everybody has a right to work. Nobody has a right to lie.

                              Right to work whatever job you choose.

                              JollyJ Offline
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                              Jolly
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #25

                              @Axtremus said in NPs sue to use "Doctor" title:

                              @Jolly said in NPs sue to use "Doctor" title:

                              @Axtremus said in NPs sue to use "Doctor" title:

                              @Jolly said in NPs sue to use "Doctor" title:

                              Hell to the no.

                              "Right to work."

                              Everybody has a right to work. Nobody has a right to lie.

                              Right to work whatever job you choose.

                              Good. Then if you want to be a doctor, hie thy ass to medical school. Provideth thy ass could get in, which for 90% (IMO) of them, couldn't.

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              • RainmanR Rainman

                                So Klaus, what do your students in Germany call you in the classroom? Herr Doktor, Herr Professor? Or maybe by now it's just "hey dude" or the more casual "yo?"

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                                Jolly
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                                #26

                                @Rainman said in NPs sue to use "Doctor" title:

                                So Klaus, what do your students in Germany call you in the classroom? Herr Doktor, Herr Professor? Or maybe by now it's just "hey dude" or the more casual "yo?"

                                For the select few, I think they just scream "Stud!"

                                in German, of course...

                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  George K
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                                  Sort of related....

                                  https://cardiovascularbusiness.com/topics/professional-associations/cardiology-associations/american-college-cardiology-acc/american-college-cardiology-chooses-next-president-vice-president

                                  The American College of Cardiology (ACC) has announced its 2024-2025 officers and trustees, including the group’s next president and vice president.

                                  Cathleen Dalton Biga, MSN, RN, president and CEO of Cardiovascular Management of Illinois, will serve as ACC president in 2024-2025 after serving as the group’s vice president in 2023-2024. Biga has more than 40 years of healthcare experience, working as a registered nurse, service line director, vice president and CEO. At Cardiovascular Management of Illinois, she works with more than 100 separate cardiology practices throughout the Chicago area.

                                  Cardiologist Christopher Kramer, MD, chief of cardiovascular medicine with UVA Health, will serve as ACC Vice President in 2024-2025. Kramer, a cardiac imaging specialist, has authored nearly 200 peer-reviewed publications, more than 100 book chapters and three books focused on cardiovascular health over the course of his career. He previously served as president of the Society for Cardiovascular Magnetic Resonance.

                                  I met Biga about 20 years ago. She was the CEO of our place for about a year (there was a revolving door).

                                  After I was introduced, she said, "So, you pass gas for a living?"

                                  I responded, "Yeah, and sometimes I put people to sleep too."

                                  She didn't find it amusing.

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    Different places do different things. Off the top of my head, LSUA, LSUE, NSU, Delgado, BRCC offer A.D. RN degrees down here.

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                      Outcomes of Hematuria Evaluation by Advanced Practice Providers and Urologists

                                      We identified 59,923 patients who were initially evaluated for hematuria. Visits with urologic nurse practitioners rather than urologists were associated with significantly lower odds of receiving cystoscopy procedures , imaging studies, and bladder biopsy procedures. Visits with urologic physician assistants were associated with 11% greater out-of-pocket payments and 14% greater total payments.

                                      Large number of patients. Unfortunately, the fact that NP's cost more (to the patient) and ordered/peformed fewer tests and procedures is not mentioned as related to outcomes.

                                      You can bet your ass that if I start peeing blood, and it's not an infection, I want someone taking a look.

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        Jolly
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                                        #30

                                        IIRC, urologists serve a six year residency.

                                        Four years med school, six years residency is a bit more graduate schoolin' than a two-year NP.

                                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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