Show White Privilege and the Seven … Whatever They Identify As

[jon-nyc]

She said in the 1937 version the prince stalked her. Not this one.

And the prince could be cut out was not in any way a suggestion, it was a flip way of saying “who knows what the editors will do with the final cut”, entirely consistent with what she spent most of the interview talking about, which is the relationship between snow white and the prince in the movie and the uncertainty about how it’ll look to the audience once the director is done.

[Doctor Phibes]

@LuFins-Dad said in Show White Privilege and the Seven … Whatever They Identify As:

@jon-nyc said in Show White Privilege and the Seven … Whatever They Identify As:

That tweet is a total mischaracterization of that interview. Surely intentional.

The problem with all these accounts that grift off of the other tribe's stupidity is you get a situation where the demand for such stupidity exceeds the supply and they do shit like this.

So she didn’t refer to the Prince as a stalker?

Did you watch the interview? She was clearly kidding around. The portrayal by the humourless dweeb on Twitter is ridiculous.

[LuFins Dad]

@jon-nyc said in Show White Privilege and the Seven … Whatever They Identify As:

She said in the 1937 version the prince stalked her. Not this one.

Right. This is not the first interview she has given. Not by far. And in each and every interview she repeatedly casts aspersions on the original source material. This is a repeated pattern of behavior and not a one off. If she doesn’t like the original Snow White story, that’s fine. Don’t do the project.

[Doctor Phibes]

@LuFins-Dad said in Show White Privilege and the Seven … Whatever They Identify As:

If she doesn’t like the original Snow White story, that’s fine. Don’t do the project.

It's an adaptation of a folk tale, not the Holy Bible. You are allowed to change it. It's not as if Disney has a great track of honouring the original text of the stories they plunder, or indeed that the 1937 is the original source material.

[Aqua Letifer]

@Doctor-Phibes said in Show White Privilege and the Seven … Whatever They Identify As:

@LuFins-Dad said in Show White Privilege and the Seven … Whatever They Identify As:

If she doesn’t like the original Snow White story, that’s fine. Don’t do the project.

It's an adaptation of a folk tale, not the Holy Bible. You are allowed to change it.

No, you're actually not. Not if you expect anyone out there to like any of it.

You can change things, sure, but it better be changes in service to the spirit of the story and not some faux inclusivity attempt or... well you get responses like this.

It's not as if Disney has a great track of honouring the original text of the stories they plunder, or indeed that the 1937 is the original source material.

No, but they did understand the stories they adapted, which is what led to their success. Modern Disney—and the people who like this stuff or shrug it off as no big deal—do not, and so when these abominations flop it's of course because the people who didn't like it are racist or whatever. Not because the spirit of the story wasn't honored. Gotta be racism.

[LuFins Dad]

This is nearly as idiotic as Mattel saying “hey! Why don’t we make a movie that shows just how shallow and demeaning Barbie and the related products are! Wouldn’t that be great?”

[Axtremus]

@LuFins-Dad said in Show White Privilege and the Seven … Whatever They Identify As:

This is nearly as idiotic as Mattel saying “hey! Why don’t we make a movie that shows just how shallow and demeaning Barbie and the related products are! Wouldn’t that be great?”

Have you watched the Barbie (2023) movie?
It’s over $1 Billion idiotic by now.
Maybe Disney should aim to be even more idiotic?

[Axtremus]

@Aqua-Letifer said in Show White Privilege and the Seven … Whatever They Identify As:

No, but they did understand the stories they adapted, which is what led to their success. …

How do you measure success? By box office take?

[Aqua Letifer]

@Axtremus said in Show White Privilege and the Seven … Whatever They Identify As:

@Aqua-Letifer said in Show White Privilege and the Seven … Whatever They Identify As:

No, but they did understand the stories they adapted, which is what led to their success. …

How do you measure success? By box office take?

Try again. Stories are older than capitalism.

[Doctor Phibes]

@Aqua-Letifer said in Show White Privilege and the Seven … Whatever They Identify As:

No, but they did understand the stories they adapted, which is what led to their success. Modern Disney—and the people who like this stuff or shrug it off as no big deal—do not, and so when these abominations flop it's of course because the people who didn't like it are racist or whatever. Not because the spirit of the story wasn't honored. Gotta be racism.

I actually found a lot of the early Disney adaptations really vomit-inducingly twee. Grimm and Hans Christian Andersen were very different in tone.

But that's just me. A lot of people seemed to like their stomach turning saccharin quality.

[Aqua Letifer]

@Doctor-Phibes said in Show White Privilege and the Seven … Whatever They Identify As:

@Aqua-Letifer said in Show White Privilege and the Seven … Whatever They Identify As:

No, but they did understand the stories they adapted, which is what led to their success. Modern Disney—and the people who like this stuff or shrug it off as no big deal—do not, and so when these abominations flop it's of course because the people who didn't like it are racist or whatever. Not because the spirit of the story wasn't honored. Gotta be racism.

I actually found a lot of the early Disney adaptations really vomit-inducingly twee. Grimm and Hans Christian Andersen were very different in tone.

But that's just me. A lot of people seemed to like their stomach turning saccharin quality.

So you're okay with their virtue-signaling remakes but not the originals that put Disney on the map?

[Doctor Phibes]

@Aqua-Letifer said in Show White Privilege and the Seven … Whatever They Identify As:

@Doctor-Phibes said in Show White Privilege and the Seven … Whatever They Identify As:

@Aqua-Letifer said in Show White Privilege and the Seven … Whatever They Identify As:

No, but they did understand the stories they adapted, which is what led to their success. Modern Disney—and the people who like this stuff or shrug it off as no big deal—do not, and so when these abominations flop it's of course because the people who didn't like it are racist or whatever. Not because the spirit of the story wasn't honored. Gotta be racism.

I actually found a lot of the early Disney adaptations really vomit-inducingly twee. Grimm and Hans Christian Andersen were very different in tone.

But that's just me. A lot of people seemed to like their stomach turning saccharin quality.

So you're okay with their virtue-signaling remakes but not the originals that put Disney on the map?

I'm not really ok with any of it, TBH. I've never liked Disney very much as an organization. They've always been as preachy as shit, it's just they're now doing it in a different way which annoys a different segment.

However, I didn't think the characterization of the interview with the actress was accurate.

[Aqua Letifer]

@Doctor-Phibes said in Show White Privilege and the Seven … Whatever They Identify As:

@Aqua-Letifer said in Show White Privilege and the Seven … Whatever They Identify As:

@Doctor-Phibes said in Show White Privilege and the Seven … Whatever They Identify As:

@Aqua-Letifer said in Show White Privilege and the Seven … Whatever They Identify As:

No, but they did understand the stories they adapted, which is what led to their success. Modern Disney—and the people who like this stuff or shrug it off as no big deal—do not, and so when these abominations flop it's of course because the people who didn't like it are racist or whatever. Not because the spirit of the story wasn't honored. Gotta be racism.

I actually found a lot of the early Disney adaptations really vomit-inducingly twee. Grimm and Hans Christian Andersen were very different in tone.

But that's just me. A lot of people seemed to like their stomach turning saccharin quality.

So you're okay with their virtue-signaling remakes but not the originals that put Disney on the map?

I'm not really ok with any of it, TBH. I've never liked Disney very much as an organization. They've always been as preachy as shit, it's just they're now doing it in a different way which annoys a different segment.

Do you hate Miyazaki stuff, too, then?

[Doctor Phibes]

@Aqua-Letifer said in Show White Privilege and the Seven … Whatever They Identify As:

@Doctor-Phibes said in Show White Privilege and the Seven … Whatever They Identify As:

@Aqua-Letifer said in Show White Privilege and the Seven … Whatever They Identify As:

@Doctor-Phibes said in Show White Privilege and the Seven … Whatever They Identify As:

@Aqua-Letifer said in Show White Privilege and the Seven … Whatever They Identify As:

No, but they did understand the stories they adapted, which is what led to their success. Modern Disney—and the people who like this stuff or shrug it off as no big deal—do not, and so when these abominations flop it's of course because the people who didn't like it are racist or whatever. Not because the spirit of the story wasn't honored. Gotta be racism.

I actually found a lot of the early Disney adaptations really vomit-inducingly twee. Grimm and Hans Christian Andersen were very different in tone.

But that's just me. A lot of people seemed to like their stomach turning saccharin quality.

So you're okay with their virtue-signaling remakes but not the originals that put Disney on the map?

I'm not really ok with any of it, TBH. I've never liked Disney very much as an organization. They've always been as preachy as shit, it's just they're now doing it in a different way which annoys a different segment.

Do you hate Miyazaki stuff, too, then?

Never watched any.

Obviously, I've enjoyed some Disney - a lot of the Pixar stuff was great, but it wasn't really Disney in the same way. I'm sure there are others, and if you watch something like Pinocchio while ignoring some of the subtext, it's fine. But all those cutesy little birdies are revolting. And don't get me started on that freaking Gopher.

There's also levels of wokeness. Insisting on using Asian or black actors to portray Asian or black characters isn't really that horrendous an idea. I don't need every third character to be gay or anything, but also it doesn't mean there shouldn't be any gayness whatsoever. It's a fact of modern life.

I tell you what I did enjoy recently - Arcane. I'm sure some people think it's a bit woke, but I thought it was great. It's pretty dark.

[George K]

@Axtremus said in Show White Privilege and the Seven … Whatever They Identify As:

How do you measure success? By box office take?

"Success" ≠ "Quality"

[George K]

@Doctor-Phibes said in Show White Privilege and the Seven … Whatever They Identify As:

Insisting on using Asian or black actors to portray Asian or black characters isn't really that horrendous an idea.

Right.

A while ago we talked about a black James Bond and how that was not true to the origin story by Fleming. I could easily enjoy a black Bond.

But...a Hispanic Snow White, or...a black Salieri?

Link to video

[Doctor Phibes]

@George-K said in Show White Privilege and the Seven … Whatever They Identify As:

@Doctor-Phibes said in Show White Privilege and the Seven … Whatever They Identify As:

Insisting on using Asian or black actors to portray Asian or black characters isn't really that horrendous an idea.

Right.

A while ago we talked about a black James Bond and how that was not true to the origin story by Fleming. I could easily enjoy a black Bond.

But...a Hispanic Snow White, or...a black Salieri?

There's a long, long history of white actors playing non-white characters.

I remember a friend of my parents saying she wouldn't go and see Jesus Christ Superstar because a black man played Judas.

She didn't seem to mind a bunch of white folk playing all the other roles.

[Aqua Letifer]

@Doctor-Phibes said in Show White Privilege and the Seven … Whatever They Identify As:

@Aqua-Letifer said in Show White Privilege and the Seven … Whatever They Identify As:

@Doctor-Phibes said in Show White Privilege and the Seven … Whatever They Identify As:

@Aqua-Letifer said in Show White Privilege and the Seven … Whatever They Identify As:

@Doctor-Phibes said in Show White Privilege and the Seven … Whatever They Identify As:

@Aqua-Letifer said in Show White Privilege and the Seven … Whatever They Identify As:

No, but they did understand the stories they adapted, which is what led to their success. Modern Disney—and the people who like this stuff or shrug it off as no big deal—do not, and so when these abominations flop it's of course because the people who didn't like it are racist or whatever. Not because the spirit of the story wasn't honored. Gotta be racism.

I actually found a lot of the early Disney adaptations really vomit-inducingly twee. Grimm and Hans Christian Andersen were very different in tone.

But that's just me. A lot of people seemed to like their stomach turning saccharin quality.

So you're okay with their virtue-signaling remakes but not the originals that put Disney on the map?

I'm not really ok with any of it, TBH. I've never liked Disney very much as an organization. They've always been as preachy as shit, it's just they're now doing it in a different way which annoys a different segment.

Do you hate Miyazaki stuff, too, then?

Never watched any.

Obviously, I've enjoyed some Disney - a lot of the Pixar stuff was great, but it wasn't really Disney in the same way. I'm sure there are others, and if you watch something like Pinocchio while ignoring some of the subtext, it's fine. But all those cutesy little birdies are revolting. And don't get me started on that freaking Gopher.

There's also levels of wokeness. Insisting on using Asian or black actors to portray Asian or black characters isn't really that horrendous an idea.

That's not what's going on. Do you know anything about the remake of Little Mermaid or Snow White? They're not just swapping skin colors around.

I don't need every third character to be gay or anything, but also it doesn't mean there shouldn't be any gayness whatsoever. It's a fact of modern life.

Again, that's not what's going on. They're punching down to elevate—something that, no, White Disney back in the day never did as a matter of course. They made different mistakes.

I tell you what I did enjoy recently - Arcane. I'm sure some people think it's a bit woke, but I thought it was great. It's pretty dark.

Yeah, I've seen that one around, but haven't watched it. What are some others that you're a fan of? I like a lot of old Disney, and a lot of the Ghibli stuff, too.

You want something that's neither woke nor patriarchal, and a little bit dark, might I suggest Wizards.

[Copper]

@Doctor-Phibes said in Show White Privilege and the Seven … Whatever They Identify As:

It's a fact of modern life.

All kinds of sick destructive behavior are facts of modern life.

That's not a good reason to say it's ok.

And the message here is that privileged, straight, white men are bad. They must be erased to make room for the perverts.

That is not the sort of twisted message that should be drilled into children.

[Axtremus]

@Aqua-Letifer said in Show White Privilege and the Seven … Whatever They Identify As:

@Axtremus said in Show White Privilege and the Seven … Whatever They Identify As:

@Aqua-Letifer said in Show White Privilege and the Seven … Whatever They Identify As:

No, but they did understand the stories they adapted, which is what led to their success. …

How do you measure success? By box office take?

Try again. Stories are older than capitalism.

Go ahead and explain how you measure success.