Snow White and the Seven … Whatever They Identify As

[Doctor Phibes]

@Aqua-Letifer said in Show White Privilege and the Seven … Whatever They Identify As:

No, but they did understand the stories they adapted, which is what led to their success. Modern Disney—and the people who like this stuff or shrug it off as no big deal—do not, and so when these abominations flop it's of course because the people who didn't like it are racist or whatever. Not because the spirit of the story wasn't honored. Gotta be racism.

I actually found a lot of the early Disney adaptations really vomit-inducingly twee. Grimm and Hans Christian Andersen were very different in tone.

But that's just me. A lot of people seemed to like their stomach turning saccharin quality.

[Aqua Letifer]

@Doctor-Phibes said in Show White Privilege and the Seven … Whatever They Identify As:

@Aqua-Letifer said in Show White Privilege and the Seven … Whatever They Identify As:

No, but they did understand the stories they adapted, which is what led to their success. Modern Disney—and the people who like this stuff or shrug it off as no big deal—do not, and so when these abominations flop it's of course because the people who didn't like it are racist or whatever. Not because the spirit of the story wasn't honored. Gotta be racism.

I actually found a lot of the early Disney adaptations really vomit-inducingly twee. Grimm and Hans Christian Andersen were very different in tone.

But that's just me. A lot of people seemed to like their stomach turning saccharin quality.

So you're okay with their virtue-signaling remakes but not the originals that put Disney on the map?

[Doctor Phibes]

@Aqua-Letifer said in Show White Privilege and the Seven … Whatever They Identify As:

@Doctor-Phibes said in Show White Privilege and the Seven … Whatever They Identify As:

@Aqua-Letifer said in Show White Privilege and the Seven … Whatever They Identify As:

No, but they did understand the stories they adapted, which is what led to their success. Modern Disney—and the people who like this stuff or shrug it off as no big deal—do not, and so when these abominations flop it's of course because the people who didn't like it are racist or whatever. Not because the spirit of the story wasn't honored. Gotta be racism.

I actually found a lot of the early Disney adaptations really vomit-inducingly twee. Grimm and Hans Christian Andersen were very different in tone.

But that's just me. A lot of people seemed to like their stomach turning saccharin quality.

So you're okay with their virtue-signaling remakes but not the originals that put Disney on the map?

I'm not really ok with any of it, TBH. I've never liked Disney very much as an organization. They've always been as preachy as shit, it's just they're now doing it in a different way which annoys a different segment.

However, I didn't think the characterization of the interview with the actress was accurate.

[Aqua Letifer]

@Doctor-Phibes said in Show White Privilege and the Seven … Whatever They Identify As:

@Aqua-Letifer said in Show White Privilege and the Seven … Whatever They Identify As:

@Doctor-Phibes said in Show White Privilege and the Seven … Whatever They Identify As:

@Aqua-Letifer said in Show White Privilege and the Seven … Whatever They Identify As:

No, but they did understand the stories they adapted, which is what led to their success. Modern Disney—and the people who like this stuff or shrug it off as no big deal—do not, and so when these abominations flop it's of course because the people who didn't like it are racist or whatever. Not because the spirit of the story wasn't honored. Gotta be racism.

I actually found a lot of the early Disney adaptations really vomit-inducingly twee. Grimm and Hans Christian Andersen were very different in tone.

But that's just me. A lot of people seemed to like their stomach turning saccharin quality.

So you're okay with their virtue-signaling remakes but not the originals that put Disney on the map?

I'm not really ok with any of it, TBH. I've never liked Disney very much as an organization. They've always been as preachy as shit, it's just they're now doing it in a different way which annoys a different segment.

Do you hate Miyazaki stuff, too, then?

[Doctor Phibes]

@Aqua-Letifer said in Show White Privilege and the Seven … Whatever They Identify As:

@Doctor-Phibes said in Show White Privilege and the Seven … Whatever They Identify As:

@Aqua-Letifer said in Show White Privilege and the Seven … Whatever They Identify As:

@Doctor-Phibes said in Show White Privilege and the Seven … Whatever They Identify As:

@Aqua-Letifer said in Show White Privilege and the Seven … Whatever They Identify As:

No, but they did understand the stories they adapted, which is what led to their success. Modern Disney—and the people who like this stuff or shrug it off as no big deal—do not, and so when these abominations flop it's of course because the people who didn't like it are racist or whatever. Not because the spirit of the story wasn't honored. Gotta be racism.

I actually found a lot of the early Disney adaptations really vomit-inducingly twee. Grimm and Hans Christian Andersen were very different in tone.

But that's just me. A lot of people seemed to like their stomach turning saccharin quality.

So you're okay with their virtue-signaling remakes but not the originals that put Disney on the map?

I'm not really ok with any of it, TBH. I've never liked Disney very much as an organization. They've always been as preachy as shit, it's just they're now doing it in a different way which annoys a different segment.

Do you hate Miyazaki stuff, too, then?

Never watched any.

Obviously, I've enjoyed some Disney - a lot of the Pixar stuff was great, but it wasn't really Disney in the same way. I'm sure there are others, and if you watch something like Pinocchio while ignoring some of the subtext, it's fine. But all those cutesy little birdies are revolting. And don't get me started on that freaking Gopher.

There's also levels of wokeness. Insisting on using Asian or black actors to portray Asian or black characters isn't really that horrendous an idea. I don't need every third character to be gay or anything, but also it doesn't mean there shouldn't be any gayness whatsoever. It's a fact of modern life.

I tell you what I did enjoy recently - Arcane. I'm sure some people think it's a bit woke, but I thought it was great. It's pretty dark.

[George K]

@Axtremus said in Show White Privilege and the Seven … Whatever They Identify As:

How do you measure success? By box office take?

"Success" ≠ "Quality"

[George K]

@Doctor-Phibes said in Show White Privilege and the Seven … Whatever They Identify As:

Insisting on using Asian or black actors to portray Asian or black characters isn't really that horrendous an idea.

Right.

A while ago we talked about a black James Bond and how that was not true to the origin story by Fleming. I could easily enjoy a black Bond.

But...a Hispanic Snow White, or...a black Salieri?

Link to video

[Doctor Phibes]

@George-K said in Show White Privilege and the Seven … Whatever They Identify As:

@Doctor-Phibes said in Show White Privilege and the Seven … Whatever They Identify As:

Insisting on using Asian or black actors to portray Asian or black characters isn't really that horrendous an idea.

Right.

A while ago we talked about a black James Bond and how that was not true to the origin story by Fleming. I could easily enjoy a black Bond.

But...a Hispanic Snow White, or...a black Salieri?

There's a long, long history of white actors playing non-white characters.

I remember a friend of my parents saying she wouldn't go and see Jesus Christ Superstar because a black man played Judas.

She didn't seem to mind a bunch of white folk playing all the other roles.

[Aqua Letifer]

@Doctor-Phibes said in Show White Privilege and the Seven … Whatever They Identify As:

@Aqua-Letifer said in Show White Privilege and the Seven … Whatever They Identify As:

@Doctor-Phibes said in Show White Privilege and the Seven … Whatever They Identify As:

@Aqua-Letifer said in Show White Privilege and the Seven … Whatever They Identify As:

@Doctor-Phibes said in Show White Privilege and the Seven … Whatever They Identify As:

@Aqua-Letifer said in Show White Privilege and the Seven … Whatever They Identify As:

No, but they did understand the stories they adapted, which is what led to their success. Modern Disney—and the people who like this stuff or shrug it off as no big deal—do not, and so when these abominations flop it's of course because the people who didn't like it are racist or whatever. Not because the spirit of the story wasn't honored. Gotta be racism.

I actually found a lot of the early Disney adaptations really vomit-inducingly twee. Grimm and Hans Christian Andersen were very different in tone.

But that's just me. A lot of people seemed to like their stomach turning saccharin quality.

So you're okay with their virtue-signaling remakes but not the originals that put Disney on the map?

I'm not really ok with any of it, TBH. I've never liked Disney very much as an organization. They've always been as preachy as shit, it's just they're now doing it in a different way which annoys a different segment.

Do you hate Miyazaki stuff, too, then?

Never watched any.

Obviously, I've enjoyed some Disney - a lot of the Pixar stuff was great, but it wasn't really Disney in the same way. I'm sure there are others, and if you watch something like Pinocchio while ignoring some of the subtext, it's fine. But all those cutesy little birdies are revolting. And don't get me started on that freaking Gopher.

There's also levels of wokeness. Insisting on using Asian or black actors to portray Asian or black characters isn't really that horrendous an idea.

That's not what's going on. Do you know anything about the remake of Little Mermaid or Snow White? They're not just swapping skin colors around.

I don't need every third character to be gay or anything, but also it doesn't mean there shouldn't be any gayness whatsoever. It's a fact of modern life.

Again, that's not what's going on. They're punching down to elevate—something that, no, White Disney back in the day never did as a matter of course. They made different mistakes.

I tell you what I did enjoy recently - Arcane. I'm sure some people think it's a bit woke, but I thought it was great. It's pretty dark.

Yeah, I've seen that one around, but haven't watched it. What are some others that you're a fan of? I like a lot of old Disney, and a lot of the Ghibli stuff, too.

You want something that's neither woke nor patriarchal, and a little bit dark, might I suggest Wizards.

[Copper]

@Doctor-Phibes said in Show White Privilege and the Seven … Whatever They Identify As:

It's a fact of modern life.

All kinds of sick destructive behavior are facts of modern life.

That's not a good reason to say it's ok.

And the message here is that privileged, straight, white men are bad. They must be erased to make room for the perverts.

That is not the sort of twisted message that should be drilled into children.

[Axtremus]

@Aqua-Letifer said in Show White Privilege and the Seven … Whatever They Identify As:

@Axtremus said in Show White Privilege and the Seven … Whatever They Identify As:

@Aqua-Letifer said in Show White Privilege and the Seven … Whatever They Identify As:

No, but they did understand the stories they adapted, which is what led to their success. …

How do you measure success? By box office take?

Try again. Stories are older than capitalism.

Go ahead and explain how you measure success.

[Doctor Phibes]

@Copper said in Show White Privilege and the Seven … Whatever They Identify As:

@Doctor-Phibes said in Show White Privilege and the Seven … Whatever They Identify As:

It's a fact of modern life.

All kinds of sick destructive behavior are facts of modern life.

That's not a good reason to say it's ok.

And the message here is that privileged, straight, white men are bad. They must be erased to make room for the perverts.

That is not the sort of twisted message that should be drilled into children.

Do you actually know any gay people? If so, is that how you speak in front of them, or do you just bottle it all up for this place?

I'm not suggesting they should put sexual behaviour into kids movies, but featuring a same-sex couple is hardly earth-shattering.

[Axtremus]

@George-K said in Show White Privilege and the Seven … Whatever They Identify As:

@Axtremus said in Show White Privilege and the Seven … Whatever They Identify As:

How do you measure success? By box office take?

"Success" ≠ "Quality"

How do you measure either?

[Copper]

@Doctor-Phibes said in Show White Privilege and the Seven … Whatever They Identify As:

know any gay people?

Sure, but probably not as many as you, I bet you hold records for knowing the most gay people. That would make you such a good person.

But that virtue aside, there are still plenty of sick messages being sold to children now. The idea that straight, white men are evil is earth shattering.

[Aqua Letifer]

@Axtremus said in Show White Privilege and the Seven … Whatever They Identify As:

@Aqua-Letifer said in Show White Privilege and the Seven … Whatever They Identify As:

@Axtremus said in Show White Privilege and the Seven … Whatever They Identify As:

@Aqua-Letifer said in Show White Privilege and the Seven … Whatever They Identify As:

No, but they did understand the stories they adapted, which is what led to their success. …

How do you measure success? By box office take?

Try again. Stories are older than capitalism.

Go ahead and explain how you measure success.

Not with you. You just want to play games and don't engage in good faith arguments. Go annoy someone else.

[George K]

@Axtremus said in Show White Privilege and the Seven … Whatever They Identify As:

"Success" ≠ "Quality"

How do you measure either?

You asked the question - perhaps you have an idea?

[Horace]

@George-K said in Show White Privilege and the Seven … Whatever They Identify As:

@Axtremus said in Show White Privilege and the Seven … Whatever They Identify As:

"Success" ≠ "Quality"

How do you measure either?

You asked the question - perhaps you have an idea?

No matter what ideas Ax has, I can always help him fact check with a few phone calls. Ax, the floor is yours. I have your back.

[Doctor Phibes]

@Copper said in Show White Privilege and the Seven … Whatever They Identify As:

Sure, but probably not as many as you, I bet you hold records for knowing the most gay people.

I occasionally wonder if I hold the record for knowing the most assholes, which while superficially similar, isn't really the same thing at all.

[George K]

@Doctor-Phibes said in Show White Privilege and the Seven … Whatever They Identify As:

I occasionally wonder if I hold the record for knowing the most assholes

You're here, aren't you?

[Doctor Phibes]

@George-K said in Show White Privilege and the Seven … Whatever They Identify As:

@Doctor-Phibes said in Show White Privilege and the Seven … Whatever They Identify As:

I occasionally wonder if I hold the record for knowing the most assholes

You're here, aren't you?

Ok, fair point. You know at least one more asshole than I do.