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  • RenaudaR Renauda

    @Wim

    I agree cinema is better. I just find the cost of going to the cinema has gotten out control. Besides that I dislike crowded venues such as cinemas, concerts and sport events and try to avoid them whenever possible. I am the sort who goes to the grocery store 5 minutes before they unlock the doors at 7 am. on Wednesday or Thursday mornings just to avoid other shoppers (and take full advantage of soon to expire mark downs of perishables).

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    Renauda
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    #24

    Harumpff.

    Elbows up!

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    • MikM Away
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      Mik
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      #25

      I’m not a big fan of crowds either.

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        George K
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        #26

        Four hour cut next year:

        https://www.techradar.com/streaming/ridley-scotts-napoleon-is-getting-an-epic-four-hour-cut-but-only-on-apple-tv-plus

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          Aqua Letifer
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          #27

          I'll watch it then. The recent version seems like it's missed the mark. I don't mind a 4-hour movie if it's good.

          Please love yourself.

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            George K
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            #28

            The Thread:

            https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1728292482121941213.html

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              bachophile
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              #29

              IMG_1170.jpeg

              caption this

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                IMG_1170.jpeg

                caption this

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                Renauda
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                #30

                @bachophile said in Joaquin Phoenix as Napoleon?:

                IMG_1170.jpeg

                So you were told that we get off at what station? ….Waterloo Station?

                Elbows up!

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                  The (American) Civil War was the first war to use railroads, encouraged by President Lincoln — himself a former railroad lawyer — who understood how vital they were for moving men and supplies.

                  https://www.pbs.org/opb/historydetectives/feature/civil-war-innovations/#:~:text=The Civil War was the,for moving men and supplies.

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                  • RenaudaR Renauda

                    @bachophile said in Joaquin Phoenix as Napoleon?:

                    IMG_1170.jpeg

                    So you were told that we get off at what station? ….Waterloo Station?

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                    @Renauda said in Joaquin Phoenix as Napoleon?:

                    So you were told that we get off at what station? ….Waterloo Station?

                    I took the Lake Shore Limited from Waterloo to Chicago...

                    Screenshot 2023-11-28 at 3.40.32 PM.png

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • CopperC Copper

                      The (American) Civil War was the first war to use railroads, encouraged by President Lincoln — himself a former railroad lawyer — who understood how vital they were for moving men and supplies.

                      https://www.pbs.org/opb/historydetectives/feature/civil-war-innovations/#:~:text=The Civil War was the,for moving men and supplies.

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                      Renauda
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                      #33

                      @Copper said in Joaquin Phoenix as Napoleon?:

                      The (American) Civil War was the first war to use railroads, encouraged by President Lincoln — himself a former railroad lawyer — who understood how vital they were for moving men and supplies.

                      https://www.pbs.org/opb/historydetectives/feature/civil-war-innovations/#:~:text=The Civil War was the,for moving men and supplies.

                      Not entirely accurate. The Prussians were the first to use the railway in war - as troop transport during the First Schleswig War a dozen years before the US Civil War:

                      https://historum.com/t/first-schleswig-war-transport.2712/

                      Elbows up!

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                        The Wiki description is slightly different

                        The American Civil War in 1861–1865 was the first large war in which railroads were both a major tool and a major target of military action.

                        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_railways#

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                          Renauda
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                          #35

                          Good for WiKi.

                          Either way, there were no railroads during Napoleon’s time to move his or his enemies’ armies and supplies.

                          Elbows up!

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                            George K
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                            #36

                            The Critical Drinker..."Napoleon, directed by Ridley Scott and starring Joaquim Phoenix, was the historical epic that everyone hoped would close out the year in spectacular fashion. Unfortunately, it turned out to be something... different. "

                            Link to video

                            "Napoleon by Ridley Scott makes Braveheart look like Master and Commander."

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            • George KG George K

                              The Critical Drinker..."Napoleon, directed by Ridley Scott and starring Joaquim Phoenix, was the historical epic that everyone hoped would close out the year in spectacular fashion. Unfortunately, it turned out to be something... different. "

                              Link to video

                              "Napoleon by Ridley Scott makes Braveheart look like Master and Commander."

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                              @George-K

                              Ouch.

                              From what I have read about Napoleon’s life, I have very little to no sympathy at all for the historical character Josephine.

                              Elbows up!

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                              • RenaudaR Renauda

                                @George-K

                                Ouch.

                                From what I have read about Napoleon’s life, I have very little to no sympathy at all for the historical character Josephine.

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                                @Renauda said in Joaquin Phoenix as Napoleon?:

                                Ouch.

                                Yeah, it's a pity. Could have been a great movie. I'm saying that not having seen it, of course. But the comment about Braveheart...

                                Ouch, indeed.

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                • George KG George K

                                  @Renauda said in Joaquin Phoenix as Napoleon?:

                                  Ouch.

                                  Yeah, it's a pity. Could have been a great movie. I'm saying that not having seen it, of course. But the comment about Braveheart...

                                  Ouch, indeed.

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                                  @George-K said in Joaquin Phoenix as Napoleon?:

                                  Could have been a great movie.

                                  Ridley Scott has made some great movies. As far as I'm aware, none of them were known for historical accuracy

                                  I was only joking

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                                    Exactly, I have zero caring how accurate the film is. Hope it's a good movie... and hope the soundtrack is good. I don't know much about Martin Phipps but as an Original Soundtrack (OST) nerd, my favorite end-to-end soundtracks of all time are: Gladiator (Zimmer), Braveheart (Horner), Bourne Supremacy (Powell).

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                                      @George-K said in Joaquin Phoenix as Napoleon?:

                                      Could have been a great movie.

                                      Ridley Scott has made some great movies. As far as I'm aware, none of them were known for historical accuracy

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                                      @Doctor-Phibes said in Joaquin Phoenix as Napoleon?:

                                      @George-K said in Joaquin Phoenix as Napoleon?:

                                      Could have been a great movie.

                                      Ridley Scott has made some great movies. As far as I'm aware, none of them were known for historical accuracy

                                      Scott’s Kingdom of Heaven was such. A good movie script built around Saladin’s retaking of Jerusalem in the late 12th century. The general sense the historical narrative was there but there was plenty of artistic license regarding the specifics.

                                      Elbows up!

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                                      • MikM Away
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                                        Mik
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                                        I'm not really a fan of directors taking much of any artistic license with historical fact. It turns fact into fiction and lends itself to all sorts of revisionist mischief.

                                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                        • MikM Mik

                                          I'm not really a fan of directors taking much of any artistic license with historical fact. It turns fact into fiction and lends itself to all sorts of revisionist mischief.

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                                          #43

                                          @Mik

                                          It depends. No one who actually knows the historical narrative being depicted is going to be fooled. A director like Scott or the late greats Stanley Kubrick, David Lean and Sir Richard Attenborough would have known this and applied their respective talents to the production regardless of the liberties it would entail. They were after all, creating a 3 or 4 hour screen illusion not different from Shakespeare’s stage plays surrounding historical events and people. They did not set out to stage a history tutorial or lecture.

                                          Unless it is a total distortion as in Braveheart or worse, Ken Russell’s Lisztomania, I am content to be entertained by the short lived spectacle of it all.

                                          Elbows up!

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