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  • Aqua LetiferA Offline
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    Aqua Letifer
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    #27

    I'll watch it then. The recent version seems like it's missed the mark. I don't mind a 4-hour movie if it's good.

    Please love yourself.

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    • George KG Offline
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      #28

      The Thread:

      https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1728292482121941213.html

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • bachophileB Offline
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        #29

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        caption this

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        • bachophileB bachophile

          IMG_1170.jpeg

          caption this

          RenaudaR Offline
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          Renauda
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          #30

          @bachophile said in Joaquin Phoenix as Napoleon?:

          IMG_1170.jpeg

          So you were told that we get off at what station? ….Waterloo Station?

          Elbows up!

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          • CopperC Offline
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            #31

            The (American) Civil War was the first war to use railroads, encouraged by President Lincoln — himself a former railroad lawyer — who understood how vital they were for moving men and supplies.

            https://www.pbs.org/opb/historydetectives/feature/civil-war-innovations/#:~:text=The Civil War was the,for moving men and supplies.

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            • RenaudaR Renauda

              @bachophile said in Joaquin Phoenix as Napoleon?:

              IMG_1170.jpeg

              So you were told that we get off at what station? ….Waterloo Station?

              George KG Offline
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              #32

              @Renauda said in Joaquin Phoenix as Napoleon?:

              So you were told that we get off at what station? ….Waterloo Station?

              I took the Lake Shore Limited from Waterloo to Chicago...

              Screenshot 2023-11-28 at 3.40.32 PM.png

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              • CopperC Copper

                The (American) Civil War was the first war to use railroads, encouraged by President Lincoln — himself a former railroad lawyer — who understood how vital they were for moving men and supplies.

                https://www.pbs.org/opb/historydetectives/feature/civil-war-innovations/#:~:text=The Civil War was the,for moving men and supplies.

                RenaudaR Offline
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                Renauda
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                #33

                @Copper said in Joaquin Phoenix as Napoleon?:

                The (American) Civil War was the first war to use railroads, encouraged by President Lincoln — himself a former railroad lawyer — who understood how vital they were for moving men and supplies.

                https://www.pbs.org/opb/historydetectives/feature/civil-war-innovations/#:~:text=The Civil War was the,for moving men and supplies.

                Not entirely accurate. The Prussians were the first to use the railway in war - as troop transport during the First Schleswig War a dozen years before the US Civil War:

                https://historum.com/t/first-schleswig-war-transport.2712/

                Elbows up!

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                • CopperC Offline
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                  #34

                  The Wiki description is slightly different

                  The American Civil War in 1861–1865 was the first large war in which railroads were both a major tool and a major target of military action.

                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_railways#

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                  • RenaudaR Offline
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                    Renauda
                    wrote on last edited by Renauda
                    #35

                    Good for WiKi.

                    Either way, there were no railroads during Napoleon’s time to move his or his enemies’ armies and supplies.

                    Elbows up!

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                    • George KG Offline
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                      wrote on last edited by George K
                      #36

                      The Critical Drinker..."Napoleon, directed by Ridley Scott and starring Joaquim Phoenix, was the historical epic that everyone hoped would close out the year in spectacular fashion. Unfortunately, it turned out to be something... different. "

                      Link to video

                      "Napoleon by Ridley Scott makes Braveheart look like Master and Commander."

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      • George KG George K

                        The Critical Drinker..."Napoleon, directed by Ridley Scott and starring Joaquim Phoenix, was the historical epic that everyone hoped would close out the year in spectacular fashion. Unfortunately, it turned out to be something... different. "

                        Link to video

                        "Napoleon by Ridley Scott makes Braveheart look like Master and Commander."

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                        Renauda
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                        #37

                        @George-K

                        Ouch.

                        From what I have read about Napoleon’s life, I have very little to no sympathy at all for the historical character Josephine.

                        Elbows up!

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                        • RenaudaR Renauda

                          @George-K

                          Ouch.

                          From what I have read about Napoleon’s life, I have very little to no sympathy at all for the historical character Josephine.

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                          #38

                          @Renauda said in Joaquin Phoenix as Napoleon?:

                          Ouch.

                          Yeah, it's a pity. Could have been a great movie. I'm saying that not having seen it, of course. But the comment about Braveheart...

                          Ouch, indeed.

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          • George KG George K

                            @Renauda said in Joaquin Phoenix as Napoleon?:

                            Ouch.

                            Yeah, it's a pity. Could have been a great movie. I'm saying that not having seen it, of course. But the comment about Braveheart...

                            Ouch, indeed.

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                            Doctor Phibes
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                            #39

                            @George-K said in Joaquin Phoenix as Napoleon?:

                            Could have been a great movie.

                            Ridley Scott has made some great movies. As far as I'm aware, none of them were known for historical accuracy

                            I was only joking

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                              Exactly, I have zero caring how accurate the film is. Hope it's a good movie... and hope the soundtrack is good. I don't know much about Martin Phipps but as an Original Soundtrack (OST) nerd, my favorite end-to-end soundtracks of all time are: Gladiator (Zimmer), Braveheart (Horner), Bourne Supremacy (Powell).

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                                @George-K said in Joaquin Phoenix as Napoleon?:

                                Could have been a great movie.

                                Ridley Scott has made some great movies. As far as I'm aware, none of them were known for historical accuracy

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                                @Doctor-Phibes said in Joaquin Phoenix as Napoleon?:

                                @George-K said in Joaquin Phoenix as Napoleon?:

                                Could have been a great movie.

                                Ridley Scott has made some great movies. As far as I'm aware, none of them were known for historical accuracy

                                Scott’s Kingdom of Heaven was such. A good movie script built around Saladin’s retaking of Jerusalem in the late 12th century. The general sense the historical narrative was there but there was plenty of artistic license regarding the specifics.

                                Elbows up!

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                                  #42

                                  I'm not really a fan of directors taking much of any artistic license with historical fact. It turns fact into fiction and lends itself to all sorts of revisionist mischief.

                                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                  • MikM Mik

                                    I'm not really a fan of directors taking much of any artistic license with historical fact. It turns fact into fiction and lends itself to all sorts of revisionist mischief.

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                                    Renauda
                                    wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                    #43

                                    @Mik

                                    It depends. No one who actually knows the historical narrative being depicted is going to be fooled. A director like Scott or the late greats Stanley Kubrick, David Lean and Sir Richard Attenborough would have known this and applied their respective talents to the production regardless of the liberties it would entail. They were after all, creating a 3 or 4 hour screen illusion not different from Shakespeare’s stage plays surrounding historical events and people. They did not set out to stage a history tutorial or lecture.

                                    Unless it is a total distortion as in Braveheart or worse, Ken Russell’s Lisztomania, I am content to be entertained by the short lived spectacle of it all.

                                    Elbows up!

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                                    • RenaudaR Renauda

                                      @Doctor-Phibes said in Joaquin Phoenix as Napoleon?:

                                      @George-K said in Joaquin Phoenix as Napoleon?:

                                      Could have been a great movie.

                                      Ridley Scott has made some great movies. As far as I'm aware, none of them were known for historical accuracy

                                      Scott’s Kingdom of Heaven was such. A good movie script built around Saladin’s retaking of Jerusalem in the late 12th century. The general sense the historical narrative was there but there was plenty of artistic license regarding the specifics.

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                                      #44

                                      @Renauda said in Joaquin Phoenix as Napoleon?:

                                      Scott’s Kingdom of Heaven was such. A good movie script built around Saladin’s retaking of Jerusalem in the late 12th century. The general sense the historical narrative was there but there was plenty of artistic license regarding the specifics.

                                      I’ll have to check it out.

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      • RenaudaR Renauda

                                        @Doctor-Phibes said in Joaquin Phoenix as Napoleon?:

                                        @George-K said in Joaquin Phoenix as Napoleon?:

                                        Could have been a great movie.

                                        Ridley Scott has made some great movies. As far as I'm aware, none of them were known for historical accuracy

                                        Scott’s Kingdom of Heaven was such. A good movie script built around Saladin’s retaking of Jerusalem in the late 12th century. The general sense the historical narrative was there but there was plenty of artistic license regarding the specifics.

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                                        George K
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                                        @Renauda said in Joaquin Phoenix as Napoleon?:

                                        Scott’s Kingdom of Heaven was such. A good movie script built around Saladin’s retaking of Jerusalem in the late 12th century. The general sense the historical narrative was there but there was plenty of artistic license regarding the specifics.

                                        He didn't like it - at all. And your comment about "plenty of artistic license" is like saying there was plenty of water in the Titanic.

                                        Link to video

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                          Renauda
                                          wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                          #46

                                          @George-K

                                          Ha, ha!

                                          I note he didn’t say anything bad about or pan Eva Green’s character in the film.

                                          Too bad he took the story line so seriously.

                                          I should watch it again. It’s been a dozen or more years since I saw it. I remember my wife hating it.

                                          Elbows up!

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