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  • George KG Offline
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    https://www.axios.com/local/denver/2023/06/24/casa-bonita-employee-pay-tips-reopening

    Just days before its much-anticipated reopening, Casa Bonita rescinded its original employment contracts and asked staff to sign new agreements that may amount to smaller wages, Axios Denver has learned.

    Why it matters: Casa Bonita's new owners, "South Park" creators Trey Parker and Matt Stone, are receiving national attention for their $40 million rehab of the legendary pink-palace venue in Lakewood. Colorado Gov. Jared Polis appeared in a Casa Bonita video touting the promise of the new jobs.

    But behind the scenes, the pay shift, a weeks-delayed launch and a limited opening with seating just three days a week is raising alarms with some employees.

    State of play: Casa Bonita initially advertised salaries ranging from $14.27 to $15.27 for servers and bartenders, in addition to tips. And employees signed contracts earlier this spring agreeing to these wages, according to documents reviewed by Axios Denver.

    Yes, but: In the days before Friday's public opening, the restaurant called employees to a meeting at which they were told to sign new contracts within a day or quit, according to one employee who spoke with Axios, describing conversations with other colleagues, as well as documents provided to Axios from another employee.

    The employees asked to remain anonymous for fear of retribution and because of a confidentiality agreement.

    By the numbers: The restaurant is now offering a $30 hourly rate to servers and bartenders, but neither will receive tips as part of their wages.

    The increased hourly rate will provide more stable income if the restaurant is not full. But it represents a decrease in total wages, potentially by hundreds of dollars per shift, from what management suggested with tips when it's near capacity, according to the employee and documents Axios reviewed.

    It's unclear what would happen with the money if customers decide to leave a tip.
    Similar to the original contract, the new contract states that health insurance begins after 60 days or more of full-time employment.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • taiwan_girlT Offline
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        The forum thread title caught my eye. LOL

        Maybe I am out of touch, but $30/hr does not sound too bad (+ health insurance).

        $30 x 40 hours = $1200/wk

        EDIT: I do see where they are only going to be open 3 day/week initially.

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        • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

          The forum thread title caught my eye. LOL

          Maybe I am out of touch, but $30/hr does not sound too bad (+ health insurance).

          $30 x 40 hours = $1200/wk

          EDIT: I do see where they are only going to be open 3 day/week initially.

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          @taiwan_girl said in No Tipping:

          The forum thread title caught my eye. LOL

          Maybe I am out of touch, but $30/hr does not sound too bad (+ health insurance).

          $30 x 40 hours = $1200/wk

          EDIT: I do see where they are only going to be open 3 day/week initially.

          But it is lower than they would make with tipping. That has been Aqua’s point the whole time. For a talented server in a better restaurant, $30 per hour is a disappointment.

          Lucas works over the summer and winter at a Japanese Hibachi restaurant. He pays the hibachi chef 8% of the order total, meaning that at the average tip level, Luke is only getting a 12% tip. He’s still disappointed if he averages less than $40 per hour. And this is not a top tier restaurant and Lucas is not a professional server…

          The Brad

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          • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

            @taiwan_girl said in No Tipping:

            The forum thread title caught my eye. LOL

            Maybe I am out of touch, but $30/hr does not sound too bad (+ health insurance).

            $30 x 40 hours = $1200/wk

            EDIT: I do see where they are only going to be open 3 day/week initially.

            But it is lower than they would make with tipping. That has been Aqua’s point the whole time. For a talented server in a better restaurant, $30 per hour is a disappointment.

            Lucas works over the summer and winter at a Japanese Hibachi restaurant. He pays the hibachi chef 8% of the order total, meaning that at the average tip level, Luke is only getting a 12% tip. He’s still disappointed if he averages less than $40 per hour. And this is not a top tier restaurant and Lucas is not a professional server…

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            @LuFins-Dad Why is there such a staff shortage in the US for restaurants, etc.?

            Seems from what I have read, since the pandemic, people have been leaving the restaurant business more and more. I dont think that there are a whole lot of jobs that will pay USD$40/hr.

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            • George KG George K

              https://www.axios.com/local/denver/2023/06/24/casa-bonita-employee-pay-tips-reopening

              Just days before its much-anticipated reopening, Casa Bonita rescinded its original employment contracts and asked staff to sign new agreements that may amount to smaller wages, Axios Denver has learned.

              Why it matters: Casa Bonita's new owners, "South Park" creators Trey Parker and Matt Stone, are receiving national attention for their $40 million rehab of the legendary pink-palace venue in Lakewood. Colorado Gov. Jared Polis appeared in a Casa Bonita video touting the promise of the new jobs.

              But behind the scenes, the pay shift, a weeks-delayed launch and a limited opening with seating just three days a week is raising alarms with some employees.

              State of play: Casa Bonita initially advertised salaries ranging from $14.27 to $15.27 for servers and bartenders, in addition to tips. And employees signed contracts earlier this spring agreeing to these wages, according to documents reviewed by Axios Denver.

              Yes, but: In the days before Friday's public opening, the restaurant called employees to a meeting at which they were told to sign new contracts within a day or quit, according to one employee who spoke with Axios, describing conversations with other colleagues, as well as documents provided to Axios from another employee.

              The employees asked to remain anonymous for fear of retribution and because of a confidentiality agreement.

              By the numbers: The restaurant is now offering a $30 hourly rate to servers and bartenders, but neither will receive tips as part of their wages.

              The increased hourly rate will provide more stable income if the restaurant is not full. But it represents a decrease in total wages, potentially by hundreds of dollars per shift, from what management suggested with tips when it's near capacity, according to the employee and documents Axios reviewed.

              It's unclear what would happen with the money if customers decide to leave a tip.
              Similar to the original contract, the new contract states that health insurance begins after 60 days or more of full-time employment.

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              @George-K said in No Tipping:

              By the numbers: The restaurant is now offering a $30 hourly rate to servers and bartenders, but neither will receive tips as part of their wages.

              The increased hourly rate will provide more stable income if the restaurant is not full. But it represents a decrease in total wages, potentially by hundreds of dollars per shift, from what management suggested with tips when it's near capacity, according to the employee and documents Axios reviewed.

              Yes and no....It'd likely result in management being quicker to cut staff for the night when it's a little slow.

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                I think someone should make a documentary about Matt and Trey's friendship and ability to be business partners. For ego to not get in the way after all those years of success together, is impressive.

                Education is extremely important.

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                • KlausK Offline
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                  #8

                  What does a person flipping burgers make these days in the US in a similar location?

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                  • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                    @LuFins-Dad Why is there such a staff shortage in the US for restaurants, etc.?

                    Seems from what I have read, since the pandemic, people have been leaving the restaurant business more and more. I dont think that there are a whole lot of jobs that will pay USD$40/hr.

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                    @taiwan_girl said in No Tipping:

                    @LuFins-Dad Why is there such a staff shortage in the US for restaurants, etc.?

                    It's because they all hate making more money with tips. If only they'd all do it the way you think they should because you like it, everyone would be happy.

                    Please love yourself.

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                    • KlausK Klaus

                      What does a person flipping burgers make these days in the US in a similar location?

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                      @Klaus said in No Tipping:

                      What does a person flipping burgers make these days in the US in a similar location?

                      Probably about $13/hr

                      I was only joking

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                      • MikM Away
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                        Mik
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                        Around here it's $15-$18.

                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                        • KlausK Offline
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                          I understand why servers make more than people who flip burgers, but three times as much?

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                          • MikM Mik

                            Around here it's $15-$18.

                            JollyJ Offline
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                            @Mik said in No Tipping:

                            Around here it's $15-$18.

                            @Mik said in No Tipping:

                            Around here it's $15-$18.

                            $12/hr starting.

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                            • KlausK Klaus

                              I understand why servers make more than people who flip burgers, but three times as much?

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                              @Klaus said in No Tipping:

                              I understand why servers make more than people who flip burgers, but three times as much?

                              Yup, I know in a market economy, the salary that someone gets for their job is supposed to be independent and will fluctuate.

                              But, I sometimes question whether a persons salary matches up with their work value to society.

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                              • KlausK Klaus

                                I understand why servers make more than people who flip burgers, but three times as much?

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                                @Klaus said in No Tipping:

                                I understand why servers make more than people who flip burgers, but three times as much?

                                Keep going up and maybe you'll start to understand what my argument actually is.

                                Please love yourself.

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                                • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                                  @Klaus said in No Tipping:

                                  I understand why servers make more than people who flip burgers, but three times as much?

                                  Yup, I know in a market economy, the salary that someone gets for their job is supposed to be independent and will fluctuate.

                                  But, I sometimes question whether a persons salary matches up with their work value to society.

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                                  Aqua Letifer
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                                  @taiwan_girl said in No Tipping:

                                  @Klaus said in No Tipping:

                                  I understand why servers make more than people who flip burgers, but three times as much?

                                  Yup, I know in a market economy, the salary that someone gets for their job is supposed to be independent and will fluctuate.

                                  But, I sometimes question whether a persons salary matches up with their work value to society.

                                  You've got to be shitting me.

                                  Please love yourself.

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                                  • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                                    @taiwan_girl said in No Tipping:

                                    @Klaus said in No Tipping:

                                    I understand why servers make more than people who flip burgers, but three times as much?

                                    Yup, I know in a market economy, the salary that someone gets for their job is supposed to be independent and will fluctuate.

                                    But, I sometimes question whether a persons salary matches up with their work value to society.

                                    You've got to be shitting me.

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                                    taiwan_girl
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                                    @Aqua-Letifer said in No Tipping:

                                    @taiwan_girl said in No Tipping:

                                    @Klaus said in No Tipping:

                                    I understand why servers make more than people who flip burgers, but three times as much?

                                    Yup, I know in a market economy, the salary that someone gets for their job is supposed to be independent and will fluctuate.

                                    But, I sometimes question whether a persons salary matches up with their work value to society.

                                    You've got to be shitting me.

                                    Nope. Dead serious. LOL

                                    Based on salaries, I do not believe that for example, Kim Kardashian has a benefit to society that is thousands of times more valuable than a special ed teacher.

                                    HoraceH Aqua LetiferA 2 Replies Last reply
                                    • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                                      @Aqua-Letifer said in No Tipping:

                                      @taiwan_girl said in No Tipping:

                                      @Klaus said in No Tipping:

                                      I understand why servers make more than people who flip burgers, but three times as much?

                                      Yup, I know in a market economy, the salary that someone gets for their job is supposed to be independent and will fluctuate.

                                      But, I sometimes question whether a persons salary matches up with their work value to society.

                                      You've got to be shitting me.

                                      Nope. Dead serious. LOL

                                      Based on salaries, I do not believe that for example, Kim Kardashian has a benefit to society that is thousands of times more valuable than a special ed teacher.

                                      HoraceH Offline
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                                      wrote on last edited by
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                                      @taiwan_girl said in No Tipping:

                                      @Aqua-Letifer said in No Tipping:

                                      @taiwan_girl said in No Tipping:

                                      @Klaus said in No Tipping:

                                      I understand why servers make more than people who flip burgers, but three times as much?

                                      Yup, I know in a market economy, the salary that someone gets for their job is supposed to be independent and will fluctuate.

                                      But, I sometimes question whether a persons salary matches up with their work value to society.

                                      You've got to be shitting me.

                                      Nope. Dead serious. LOL

                                      Based on salaries, I do not believe that for example, Kim Kardashian has a benefit to society that is thousands of times more valuable than a special ed teacher.

                                      Just amused that you would pick "special ed teacher" as someone extraordinarily valuable to society. It's actually difficult to turn a critical eye to the expenses we incur as a society to 'educate' the mentally incapacitated, and figure out how we're helping anybody. It's mostly a feel-good exercise signifying a lot, and meaning nothing. We do spend a great deal on it though.

                                      Education is extremely important.

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                                      • HoraceH Horace

                                        @taiwan_girl said in No Tipping:

                                        @Aqua-Letifer said in No Tipping:

                                        @taiwan_girl said in No Tipping:

                                        @Klaus said in No Tipping:

                                        I understand why servers make more than people who flip burgers, but three times as much?

                                        Yup, I know in a market economy, the salary that someone gets for their job is supposed to be independent and will fluctuate.

                                        But, I sometimes question whether a persons salary matches up with their work value to society.

                                        You've got to be shitting me.

                                        Nope. Dead serious. LOL

                                        Based on salaries, I do not believe that for example, Kim Kardashian has a benefit to society that is thousands of times more valuable than a special ed teacher.

                                        Just amused that you would pick "special ed teacher" as someone extraordinarily valuable to society. It's actually difficult to turn a critical eye to the expenses we incur as a society to 'educate' the mentally incapacitated, and figure out how we're helping anybody. It's mostly a feel-good exercise signifying a lot, and meaning nothing. We do spend a great deal on it though.

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                                        taiwan_girl
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                                        #19

                                        @Horace I see your point, but I still fail to see the value Kim Kardashian brings to society. LOL

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                                        • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                                          @Horace I see your point, but I still fail to see the value Kim Kardashian brings to society. LOL

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                                          #20

                                          @taiwan_girl said in No Tipping:

                                          @Horace I see your point, but I still fail to see the value Kim Kardashian brings to society. LOL

                                          You just have to appreciate the free market, and the fact that, for whatever reason, she draws the attention of lots of people, of their own free will. You don't have to respect her or those people who find her fascinating, but you should respect a free market.

                                          Education is extremely important.

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