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https://www.axios.com/local/denver/2023/06/24/casa-bonita-employee-pay-tips-reopening
Just days before its much-anticipated reopening, Casa Bonita rescinded its original employment contracts and asked staff to sign new agreements that may amount to smaller wages, Axios Denver has learned.
Why it matters: Casa Bonita's new owners, "South Park" creators Trey Parker and Matt Stone, are receiving national attention for their $40 million rehab of the legendary pink-palace venue in Lakewood. Colorado Gov. Jared Polis appeared in a Casa Bonita video touting the promise of the new jobs.
But behind the scenes, the pay shift, a weeks-delayed launch and a limited opening with seating just three days a week is raising alarms with some employees.
State of play: Casa Bonita initially advertised salaries ranging from $14.27 to $15.27 for servers and bartenders, in addition to tips. And employees signed contracts earlier this spring agreeing to these wages, according to documents reviewed by Axios Denver.
Yes, but: In the days before Friday's public opening, the restaurant called employees to a meeting at which they were told to sign new contracts within a day or quit, according to one employee who spoke with Axios, describing conversations with other colleagues, as well as documents provided to Axios from another employee.
The employees asked to remain anonymous for fear of retribution and because of a confidentiality agreement.
By the numbers: The restaurant is now offering a $30 hourly rate to servers and bartenders, but neither will receive tips as part of their wages.
The increased hourly rate will provide more stable income if the restaurant is not full. But it represents a decrease in total wages, potentially by hundreds of dollars per shift, from what management suggested with tips when it's near capacity, according to the employee and documents Axios reviewed.
It's unclear what would happen with the money if customers decide to leave a tip.
Similar to the original contract, the new contract states that health insurance begins after 60 days or more of full-time employment.@George-K said in No Tipping:
By the numbers: The restaurant is now offering a $30 hourly rate to servers and bartenders, but neither will receive tips as part of their wages.
The increased hourly rate will provide more stable income if the restaurant is not full. But it represents a decrease in total wages, potentially by hundreds of dollars per shift, from what management suggested with tips when it's near capacity, according to the employee and documents Axios reviewed.
Yes and no....It'd likely result in management being quicker to cut staff for the night when it's a little slow.
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@LuFins-Dad Why is there such a staff shortage in the US for restaurants, etc.?
Seems from what I have read, since the pandemic, people have been leaving the restaurant business more and more. I dont think that there are a whole lot of jobs that will pay USD$40/hr.
@taiwan_girl said in No Tipping:
@LuFins-Dad Why is there such a staff shortage in the US for restaurants, etc.?
It's because they all hate making more money with tips. If only they'd all do it the way you think they should because you like it, everyone would be happy.
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@Klaus said in No Tipping:
What does a person flipping burgers make these days in the US in a similar location?
Probably about $13/hr
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I understand why servers make more than people who flip burgers, but three times as much?
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@Mik said in No Tipping:
Around here it's $15-$18.
@Mik said in No Tipping:
Around here it's $15-$18.
$12/hr starting.
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@Klaus said in No Tipping:
I understand why servers make more than people who flip burgers, but three times as much?
Yup, I know in a market economy, the salary that someone gets for their job is supposed to be independent and will fluctuate.
But, I sometimes question whether a persons salary matches up with their work value to society.
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@Klaus said in No Tipping:
I understand why servers make more than people who flip burgers, but three times as much?
Keep going up and maybe you'll start to understand what my argument actually is.
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@Klaus said in No Tipping:
I understand why servers make more than people who flip burgers, but three times as much?
Yup, I know in a market economy, the salary that someone gets for their job is supposed to be independent and will fluctuate.
But, I sometimes question whether a persons salary matches up with their work value to society.
@taiwan_girl said in No Tipping:
@Klaus said in No Tipping:
I understand why servers make more than people who flip burgers, but three times as much?
Yup, I know in a market economy, the salary that someone gets for their job is supposed to be independent and will fluctuate.
But, I sometimes question whether a persons salary matches up with their work value to society.
You've got to be shitting me.
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@taiwan_girl said in No Tipping:
@Klaus said in No Tipping:
I understand why servers make more than people who flip burgers, but three times as much?
Yup, I know in a market economy, the salary that someone gets for their job is supposed to be independent and will fluctuate.
But, I sometimes question whether a persons salary matches up with their work value to society.
You've got to be shitting me.
@Aqua-Letifer said in No Tipping:
@taiwan_girl said in No Tipping:
@Klaus said in No Tipping:
I understand why servers make more than people who flip burgers, but three times as much?
Yup, I know in a market economy, the salary that someone gets for their job is supposed to be independent and will fluctuate.
But, I sometimes question whether a persons salary matches up with their work value to society.
You've got to be shitting me.
Nope. Dead serious. LOL
Based on salaries, I do not believe that for example, Kim Kardashian has a benefit to society that is thousands of times more valuable than a special ed teacher.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in No Tipping:
@taiwan_girl said in No Tipping:
@Klaus said in No Tipping:
I understand why servers make more than people who flip burgers, but three times as much?
Yup, I know in a market economy, the salary that someone gets for their job is supposed to be independent and will fluctuate.
But, I sometimes question whether a persons salary matches up with their work value to society.
You've got to be shitting me.
Nope. Dead serious. LOL
Based on salaries, I do not believe that for example, Kim Kardashian has a benefit to society that is thousands of times more valuable than a special ed teacher.
@taiwan_girl said in No Tipping:
@Aqua-Letifer said in No Tipping:
@taiwan_girl said in No Tipping:
@Klaus said in No Tipping:
I understand why servers make more than people who flip burgers, but three times as much?
Yup, I know in a market economy, the salary that someone gets for their job is supposed to be independent and will fluctuate.
But, I sometimes question whether a persons salary matches up with their work value to society.
You've got to be shitting me.
Nope. Dead serious. LOL
Based on salaries, I do not believe that for example, Kim Kardashian has a benefit to society that is thousands of times more valuable than a special ed teacher.
Just amused that you would pick "special ed teacher" as someone extraordinarily valuable to society. It's actually difficult to turn a critical eye to the expenses we incur as a society to 'educate' the mentally incapacitated, and figure out how we're helping anybody. It's mostly a feel-good exercise signifying a lot, and meaning nothing. We do spend a great deal on it though.
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@taiwan_girl said in No Tipping:
@Aqua-Letifer said in No Tipping:
@taiwan_girl said in No Tipping:
@Klaus said in No Tipping:
I understand why servers make more than people who flip burgers, but three times as much?
Yup, I know in a market economy, the salary that someone gets for their job is supposed to be independent and will fluctuate.
But, I sometimes question whether a persons salary matches up with their work value to society.
You've got to be shitting me.
Nope. Dead serious. LOL
Based on salaries, I do not believe that for example, Kim Kardashian has a benefit to society that is thousands of times more valuable than a special ed teacher.
Just amused that you would pick "special ed teacher" as someone extraordinarily valuable to society. It's actually difficult to turn a critical eye to the expenses we incur as a society to 'educate' the mentally incapacitated, and figure out how we're helping anybody. It's mostly a feel-good exercise signifying a lot, and meaning nothing. We do spend a great deal on it though.
@Horace I see your point, but I still fail to see the value Kim Kardashian brings to society. LOL
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@Horace I see your point, but I still fail to see the value Kim Kardashian brings to society. LOL
@taiwan_girl said in No Tipping:
@Horace I see your point, but I still fail to see the value Kim Kardashian brings to society. LOL
You just have to appreciate the free market, and the fact that, for whatever reason, she draws the attention of lots of people, of their own free will. You don't have to respect her or those people who find her fascinating, but you should respect a free market.
Education is extremely important.
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People aren't paid based directly on their contribution to society, they're typically paid about the least that their employer thinks that they can get away with without them leaving or complaining so much that they destroy group morale.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in No Tipping:
@taiwan_girl said in No Tipping:
@Klaus said in No Tipping:
I understand why servers make more than people who flip burgers, but three times as much?
Yup, I know in a market economy, the salary that someone gets for their job is supposed to be independent and will fluctuate.
But, I sometimes question whether a persons salary matches up with their work value to society.
You've got to be shitting me.
Nope. Dead serious. LOL
Based on salaries, I do not believe that for example, Kim Kardashian has a benefit to society that is thousands of times more valuable than a special ed teacher.
@taiwan_girl said in No Tipping:
@Aqua-Letifer said in No Tipping:
@taiwan_girl said in No Tipping:
@Klaus said in No Tipping:
I understand why servers make more than people who flip burgers, but three times as much?
Yup, I know in a market economy, the salary that someone gets for their job is supposed to be independent and will fluctuate.
But, I sometimes question whether a persons salary matches up with their work value to society.
You've got to be shitting me.
Nope. Dead serious. LOL
Based on salaries, I do not believe that for example, Kim Kardashian has a benefit to society that is thousands of times more valuable than a special ed teacher.
What I find incredible is that you think this phenomenon is noteworthy or in any way surprising to anyone.
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@taiwan_girl said in No Tipping:
@Horace I see your point, but I still fail to see the value Kim Kardashian brings to society. LOL
You just have to appreciate the free market, and the fact that, for whatever reason, she draws the attention of lots of people, of their own free will. You don't have to respect her or those people who find her fascinating, but you should respect a free market.
@Horace said in No Tipping:
@taiwan_girl said in No Tipping:
@Horace I see your point, but I still fail to see the value Kim Kardashian brings to society. LOL
You just have to appreciate the free market, and the fact that, for whatever reason, she draws the attention of lots of people, of their own free will. You don't have to respect her or those people who find her fascinating, but you should respect a free market.
I understand that, and tried to say that in a one of my posts above. I also realize that it is the free market at work. Companies are willing to pay her USD$250K for a sponsored post on her social media, so they must think they are getting their monies worth. The many many millions of people who follow her get some sort of enjoyment by doing so. So, i guess it is a win-win for all involved.
@Aqua-Letifer Maybe not noteworthy or surprising, but I think it is interesting. But, someone like Kim Kardashian is an "outlier" of sorts when it comes to this.
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@taiwan_girl said in No Tipping:
@Horace I see your point, but I still fail to see the value Kim Kardashian brings to society. LOL
You just have to appreciate the free market, and the fact that, for whatever reason, she draws the attention of lots of people, of their own free will. You don't have to respect her or those people who find her fascinating, but you should respect a free market.
@Horace said in No Tipping:
@taiwan_girl said in No Tipping:
@Horace I see your point, but I still fail to see the value Kim Kardashian brings to society. LOL
You just have to appreciate the free market, and the fact that, for whatever reason, she draws the attention of lots of people, of their own free will. You don't have to respect her or those people who find her fascinating, but you should respect a free market.
When other crazy shit happens in America or elsewhere, people say 'society is broken. People's values are all messed up'. I'd say Kim getting gazillions of dollars for doing whatever it is she does is more crazy shit.
