Bidenomics
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@Jolly said in Bidenomics:
Ok, for all of those luxuries the poor enjoy, how much is paid for with borrowed money?
For the poor? None. It’s called being poor. They generally don’t get credit cards…
wrote on 22 Dec 2024, 19:50 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in Bidenomics:
@Jolly said in Bidenomics:
Ok, for all of those luxuries the poor enjoy, how much is paid for with borrowed money?
For the poor? None. It’s called being poor. They generally don’t get credit cards…
That money comes from Uncle Sam. Last time I looked, Uncle Sam sure did borrow a lot of money...
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wrote on 22 Dec 2024, 20:12 last edited by
Way to move the goalposts…It’s okay to say that things went downhill drastically over the last 4 years, but there were some positives…
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wrote on 22 Dec 2024, 21:02 last edited by
Have programs for the poor increased during the Biden Administration?
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wrote on 27 Dec 2024, 18:45 last edited by
@Axtremus said in Bidenomics:
Biden is owning it.
The United States saw an 18.1% increase in homelessness this year, a dramatic rise driven mostly by a lack of affordable housing as well as devastating natural disasters and a surge of migrants in several parts of the country, federal officials said Friday.
The U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development said federally required tallies taken across the country in January found that more than 770,000 people were counted as homeless — a number that misses some people and does not include those staying with friends or family because they do not have a place of their own.
That increase comes on top of a 12% increase in 2023, which HUD blamed on soaring rents and the end of pandemic assistance. The 2023 increase also was driven by people experiencing homelessness for the first time. The numbers overall represent 23 of every 10,000 people in the U.S., with Black people being overrepresented among the homeless population.
“No American should face homelessness, and the Biden-Harris Administration is committed to ensuring every family has access to the affordable, safe, and quality housing they deserve,” HUD Agency Head Adrianne Todman said in a statement, adding that the focus should remain on “evidence-based efforts to prevent and end homelessness.”
Among the most concerning trends was a nearly 40% rise in family homelessness — one of the areas that was most affected by the arrival of migrants in big cities. Family homelessness more than doubled in 13 communities impacted by migrants including Denver, Chicago and New York City, according to HUD, while it rose less than 8% in the remaining 373 communities. Nearly 150,000 children experienced homelessness on a single night in 2024, reflecting a 33% jump from last year.
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@Jolly said in Bidenomics:
Yep, income inequality, as the poor get poorer.
I assume you know that income inequality in democracies is the harbinger of revolution and/or a descending into dictatorship?
That’s not actually the case. It didn’t really come at the expense of the poor. It was mostly stock market driven and the market is thriving because of the number of the middle class moving into the upper class, not the number moving downward.
And again, trying to relate it to populist revolutions in the past is a little ridiculous. The “poor” are generally in housing with hvac, have access to transportation, often own a vehicle, have 1-2 televisions, a computer, and aren’t in danger of starvation. That’s not to say that it doesn’t suck. Speaking from experience, it sucks tremendously, and can be extraordinarily hard to break out of those things keeping you down. But what is keeping them down are personal decisions as much as external factors. Chemical dependencies, single parenthood, hand outs vs hand ups, and an education system that sells them a lie that the choices are a college degree that they can never afford or achieve or living a life in poverty.
You want to limit poverty? Limit the handouts. They can have Pell grants (in fact, increase the number of them), but the first two years HAVE to be at a Community College or Trade School. Have the school systems and counselors really promote what a trade can mean instead of a college degree. Show these kids that there are opportunities that are achievable. Also, go back to promoting family values in the schools and in entertainment.
wrote on 2 Jan 2025, 07:10 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in Bidenomics:
The “poor” are generally in housing with hvac, have access to transportation, often own a vehicle, have 1-2 televisions, a computer, and aren’t in danger of starvation
This. The poor in US are richer than probably 75% of the rest of the world.
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wrote on 2 Jan 2025, 12:25 last edited by
Take away their government subsidies such as housing, food and welfare money, and see where they are at.
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Take away their government subsidies such as housing, food and welfare money, and see where they are at.
wrote on 2 Jan 2025, 13:28 last edited by@Jolly said in Bidenomics:
Take away their government subsidies such as housing, food and welfare money, and see where they are at.
Actually, only about 10% of the country are on government assistance programs, meaning half of the poor receive nothing. As a percentage of GDP, government handouts are at a pretty low point…
The Brad
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wrote on 2 Jan 2025, 13:33 last edited by
Which means over 30M people would not have housing, enough food or basic necessities?
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wrote on 2 Jan 2025, 13:45 last edited by
Probably right around the same number as under Trump’s first term, and a fairly low percentage.
Sorry, Jolly, you and your pal Bernie should leave the guillotine in the garage for the time being.
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wrote on 2 Jan 2025, 13:48 last edited by
You can take a four-paintbrush sopping with whitewash, but the essential truth is that many of the poor in the U.S. have what they do because of government programs that do not exist in many other countries.
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You can take a four-paintbrush sopping with whitewash, but the essential truth is that many of the poor in the U.S. have what they do because of government programs that do not exist in many other countries.
wrote on 2 Jan 2025, 13:58 last edited by@Jolly said in Bidenomics:
... the essential truth is that many of the poor in the U.S. have what they do because of government programs that do not exist in many other countries.
Can the same be said of the rich?
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wrote on 2 Jan 2025, 14:08 last edited by
I fail to see how any of that is going to lead to a populist revolt or the idea that the rich are getting richer at the expense of the poor.
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@Jolly said in Bidenomics:
Take away their government subsidies such as housing, food and welfare money, and see where they are at.
Actually, only about 10% of the country are on government assistance programs, meaning half of the poor receive nothing. As a percentage of GDP, government handouts are at a pretty low point…
wrote on 2 Jan 2025, 17:11 last edited by@LuFins-Dad Excluding social security and Medicare.
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@Jolly said in Bidenomics:
... the essential truth is that many of the poor in the U.S. have what they do because of government programs that do not exist in many other countries.
Can the same be said of the rich?
wrote on 2 Jan 2025, 17:25 last edited by@Axtremus said in Bidenomics:
@Jolly said in Bidenomics:
... the essential truth is that many of the poor in the U.S. have what they do because of government programs that do not exist in many other countries.
Can the same be said of the rich?
Tax code.
The Golden Rule.
Them that has the gold, rules.
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wrote on 14 Jan 2025, 09:37 last edited by
Now that the election is over conservatives can finally be honest about the economy, though most will wait until March or so.
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wrote on 14 Jan 2025, 11:35 last edited by
One of the wonderful things about the Internet is that one can find anyone saying anything with increasing ease.
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One of the wonderful things about the Internet is that one can find anyone saying anything with increasing ease.
wrote on 14 Jan 2025, 17:07 last edited by@Jolly Semi serious/semi joking question.
At what point in time do we start measuring how President Trump is doing with the economy?
Do we start from election day? Inaugeration day? some other time frame?
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@Jolly Semi serious/semi joking question.
At what point in time do we start measuring how President Trump is doing with the economy?
Do we start from election day? Inaugeration day? some other time frame?
wrote on 14 Jan 2025, 17:49 last edited by@taiwan_girl said in Bidenomics:
@Jolly Semi serious/semi joking question.
At what point in time do we start measuring how President Trump is doing with the economy?
Do we start from election day? Inaugeration day? some other time frame?
If we use the Jon Scale, it will be from inauguration until the next President assumes office.
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@taiwan_girl said in Bidenomics:
@Jolly Semi serious/semi joking question.
At what point in time do we start measuring how President Trump is doing with the economy?
Do we start from election day? Inaugeration day? some other time frame?
If we use the Jon Scale, it will be from inauguration until the next President assumes office.
wrote on 14 Jan 2025, 18:05 last edited by@Jolly said in Bidenomics:
it will be from inauguration
I know its early, but.................... LOL
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wrote on 14 Jan 2025, 20:19 last edited by
