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  • J Jolly
    8 Apr 2020, 18:56

    @Aqua-Letifer said in Down 15%?:

    Pretty hard to take seriously any "news" outlet that doesn't know the difference between less and fewer.

    The US is experiencing 34,000 less deaths in 2020 than in the prior four years but we are concerned about a virus that to date as of March 31, 2020 that had a total of 4,000 US deaths?

    I love how we're more than a month into this and we still haven't quite wrapped our heads around what "exponential growth" means.

    They're not looking at an in toto number.

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    Larry
    wrote on 8 Apr 2020, 21:29 last edited by
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    @Jolly said in Down 15%?:

    @Aqua-Letifer said in Down 15%?:

    Pretty hard to take seriously any "news" outlet that doesn't know the difference between less and fewer.

    The US is experiencing 34,000 less deaths in 2020 than in the prior four years but we are concerned about a virus that to date as of March 31, 2020 that had a total of 4,000 US deaths?

    I love how we're more than a month into this and we still haven't quite wrapped our heads around what "exponential growth" means.

    They're not looking at an in toto number.

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      jon-nyc
      wrote on 8 Apr 2020, 21:54 last edited by
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      Jolly try to put his actual arguments into words and I think it will be really apparent how ridiculous it is.

      Only non-witches get due process.

      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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        Doctor Phibes
        wrote on 8 Apr 2020, 21:58 last edited by
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        Is it possible the total fatality statistics haven't been accurately reported as yet because everybody's attention is elsewhere?

        I was only joking

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          jon-nyc
          wrote on 8 Apr 2020, 21:59 last edited by
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          It's something like this:

          1. We invoked unprecedented social distancing measures in order to combat Covid-19.
          2. As a result, we are experiencing fewer deaths from all causes than most recent years.
          3. Ergo, the threat from Covid-19 was a hoax.

          Only non-witches get due process.

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            Klaus
            wrote on 8 Apr 2020, 22:22 last edited by
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            On the other hand, there are projections that the overall deaths caused by the recession (which is in turn currently caused by the lockdown) will far exceed the number of deaths caused by COVID-19 itself.

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            • J jon-nyc
              8 Apr 2020, 21:54

              Jolly try to put his actual arguments into words and I think it will be really apparent how ridiculous it is.

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              Jolly
              wrote on 8 Apr 2020, 22:32 last edited by
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              @jon-nyc said in Down 15%?:

              Jolly try to put his actual arguments into words and I think it will be really apparent how ridiculous it is.

              That's because you're focused on the last paragraph. Consider the numbers without it.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              • J jon-nyc
                8 Apr 2020, 21:59

                It's something like this:

                1. We invoked unprecedented social distancing measures in order to combat Covid-19.
                2. As a result, we are experiencing fewer deaths from all causes than most recent years.
                3. Ergo, the threat from Covid-19 was a hoax.
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                Jolly
                wrote on 8 Apr 2020, 22:33 last edited by
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                @jon-nyc said in Down 15%?:

                It's something like this:

                1. We invoked unprecedented social distancing measures in order to combat Covid-19.
                2. As a result, we are experiencing fewer deaths from all causes than most recent years.
                3. Ergo, the threat from Covid-19 was a hoax.

                My philosophy professor would be proud of you!

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                • K Klaus
                  8 Apr 2020, 22:22

                  On the other hand, there are projections that the overall deaths caused by the recession (which is in turn currently caused by the lockdown) will far exceed the number of deaths caused by COVID-19 itself.

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                  Jolly
                  wrote on 8 Apr 2020, 22:33 last edited by
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                  @Klaus said in Down 15%?:

                  On the other hand, there are projections that the overall deaths caused by the recession (which is in turn currently caused by the lockdown) will far exceed the number of deaths caused by COVID-19 itself.

                  Also interesting.

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • K Klaus
                    8 Apr 2020, 22:22

                    On the other hand, there are projections that the overall deaths caused by the recession (which is in turn currently caused by the lockdown) will far exceed the number of deaths caused by COVID-19 itself.

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                    jon-nyc
                    wrote on 8 Apr 2020, 23:13 last edited by
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                    @Klaus said in Down 15%?:

                    On the other hand, there are projections that the overall deaths caused by the recession (which is in turn currently caused by the lockdown) will far exceed the number of deaths caused by COVID-19 itself.

                    Show me one with a non-laughable amount of reasoning behind it.

                    Only non-witches get due process.

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                      Klaus
                      wrote on 8 Apr 2020, 23:17 last edited by
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                      Today there’s an article about that in Die Welt. I didn’t link to it because it’s in German and paywalled.

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                        Klaus
                        wrote on 8 Apr 2020, 23:35 last edited by
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                        Here’s one English language source referenced in that article.

                        https://www.ifpri.org/blog/how-much-will-global-poverty-increase-because-covid-19

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                          jon-nyc
                          wrote on 9 Apr 2020, 02:47 last edited by
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                          Thanks Klaus I’ll have a look.

                          Only non-witches get due process.

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                            jon-nyc
                            wrote on 9 Apr 2020, 02:48 last edited by
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                            JD Vance says the all-cause drop is not real. CDC takes months to compile the stats. Not sure his source on that.

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                              Doctor Phibes
                              wrote on 9 Apr 2020, 02:59 last edited by
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                              I would have thought it would take a fair amount of time to compile death statistics for the entire country, particularly when the CDC is more than busy with other things.

                              What's odd is how hard some people seem to want to try to deny what at this point should be screamingly bloody obvious.

                              I was only joking

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