To Be A Coward
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wrote on 14 May 2023, 00:37 last edited by
What a crock. Watch the video, Penny was a hero and stopped a crazy man. Even during the choke hold you can see why he’s still restraining Neely, who is still moving and trying to escape. Others, including a black man, are helping hold Neely down. Even after Penny lets him go he goes over to make sure Neely is ok and positioned correctly for first responders.
But yes, manslaughter. FFS
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topic:timeago-later,8 days
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wrote on 22 May 2023, 01:02 last edited by
Long video.
Interesting points.
Neely was moving for the entire 15 seconds of the "choke hold" so he was not unconscious.
If there was an alternative cause of death possible, that's reasonable doubt.
So far, no ME report, so we don't know the cause of death - at least not an official one.
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wrote on 22 May 2023, 02:39 last edited by
Here's NPR's most recent story and their framing of what happened:
The altercation took place on May 1 on a New York City subway train. Neely, who used to perform on subway platforms as a Michael Jackson impersonator, was shouting that he was hungry and thirsty and moments later, Penny put Neely in a chokehold for several minutes. Neely was pronounced dead that same day.
https://www.npr.org/2023/05/21/1177435414/daniel-penny-interview-nyc-subway-killing-jordan-neely
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@George-K said in To Be A Coward:
New York City does not have a justice system. It has a political system masquerading as a justice system. It is run by one party, the Democratic Party, which is the tool of progressives who see prosecutorial power as a weapon for achieving their race-obsessed vision of social justice.
My challenge for anybody is to find a thoughtful conversation or piece of writing anywhere on the internet, that rebukes this opinion. The trend of social justice masquerading as actual justice, is the product of the lowest common denominator populist masses who feel their thoughts, mostly for the purposes of establishing social credibility. Not that they're aware of that. As soon as some insight and consideration are added to the equation, McCarthy's opinion becomes obvious, and that's why it's essentially unanimous amongst thoughtful people, including center leftists who've never voted Republican in their lives.
wrote on 22 May 2023, 21:29 last edited by jon-nyc@Horace Listen to the advisory opinions podcast on the subject, which had a guest on who was a former public defender in Manhattan. It takes a deep look into the actual law and the nuances behind “imminent” violence. While the guy is very sympathetic to Penny, he certainly doesn’t think it’s as cut and dried as McCarthy thinks.
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@Horace Listen to the advisory opinions podcast on the subject, which had a guest on who was a former public defender in Manhattan. It takes a deep look into the actual law and the nuances behind “imminent” violence. While the guy is very sympathetic to Penny, he certainly doesn’t think it’s as cut and dried as McCarthy thinks.
wrote on 22 May 2023, 21:34 last edited by@jon-nyc said in To Be A Coward:
@Horace Listen to the advisory opinions podcast on the subject, which had a guest on who was a former public defender in Manhattan. It takes a deep look into the actual law and the nuances behind “imminent” violence. I don’t think it’s as cut and dried as McCarthy thinks.
If you're responding to my first post in the thread, I was referring to a zoomed out version of the justice system. I understand that by technicality this case could potentially be prosecuted. I also understand that without the skin color thing, it wouldn't be.
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topic:timeago-later,about a year
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wrote on 1 Nov 2024, 21:58 last edited by George K 11 Jan 2024, 21:58
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wrote on 1 Nov 2024, 21:59 last edited by
I don't think that's legally relevant if the doctors tie the death to the chokehold.
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G George K referenced this topic on 6 Nov 2024, 12:50
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wrote on 6 Dec 2024, 16:44 last edited by
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wrote on 6 Dec 2024, 16:45 last edited by
Maybe Biden will pardon him.
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wrote on 6 Dec 2024, 18:17 last edited by
@Horace said in To Be A Coward:
Maybe Biden will pardon him.
He can't. Not a federal crime, I think.
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@Horace said in To Be A Coward:
Maybe Biden will pardon him.
He can't. Not a federal crime, I think.
wrote on 6 Dec 2024, 18:33 last edited by@George-K said in To Be A Coward:
@Horace said in To Be A Coward:
Maybe Biden will pardon him.
He can't. Not a federal crime, I think.
No law can stop the Biden crime family.
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wrote on 6 Dec 2024, 20:10 last edited by
The police refused to administer CPR to the homeless man when they arrived and the man was still alive. Case closed.
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wrote on 6 Dec 2024, 20:22 last edited by
Check out the prosecutor. So on the nose.
Link to video
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wrote on 6 Dec 2024, 21:20 last edited by
I'd be pissed off if I was that ugly too.
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wrote on 6 Dec 2024, 22:12 last edited by
That’s a dude, right?
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wrote on 6 Dec 2024, 22:17 last edited by
The judge has dropped count #1 (the more serious charge) and sent the jury back to deliberate on count #2 (some kind of "negligent homicide" thing). I'd guess there are one or two holdouts in the jury who want to convict the white man of something...anything.
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The judge has dropped count #1 (the more serious charge) and sent the jury back to deliberate on count #2 (some kind of "negligent homicide" thing). I'd guess there are one or two holdouts in the jury who want to convict the white man of something...anything.
wrote on 6 Dec 2024, 22:25 last edited by@George-K said in To Be A Coward:
The judge has dropped count #1 (the more serious charge) and sent the jury back to deliberate on count #2 (some kind of "negligent homicide" thing). I'd guess there are one or two holdouts in the jury who want to convict the white man of something...anything.
Could be the opposite? Most jurors were going to convict and 1-2 refused?
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wrote on 6 Dec 2024, 22:26 last edited by
Did the judge formally dismiss the count?
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@George-K said in To Be A Coward:
The judge has dropped count #1 (the more serious charge) and sent the jury back to deliberate on count #2 (some kind of "negligent homicide" thing). I'd guess there are one or two holdouts in the jury who want to convict the white man of something...anything.
Could be the opposite? Most jurors were going to convict and 1-2 refused?
wrote on 6 Dec 2024, 22:31 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in To Be A Coward:
Could be the opposite? Most jurors were going to convict and 1-2 refused?
OF course.
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wrote on 6 Dec 2024, 22:34 last edited by
I used to think there were prosecutorial standards that prevented multiple charges for the same crime. Like you couldn’t charge manslaughter while also charging murder 1. You picked the most likely conviction charge and went with that. Ancillary charges were allowed of course. Firearm escalators, coverups, and such…