To Be A Coward
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What a crock. Watch the video, Penny was a hero and stopped a crazy man. Even during the choke hold you can see why he’s still restraining Neely, who is still moving and trying to escape. Others, including a black man, are helping hold Neely down. Even after Penny lets him go he goes over to make sure Neely is ok and positioned correctly for first responders.
But yes, manslaughter. FFS
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Long video.
Interesting points.
Neely was moving for the entire 15 seconds of the "choke hold" so he was not unconscious.
If there was an alternative cause of death possible, that's reasonable doubt.
So far, no ME report, so we don't know the cause of death - at least not an official one.
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Here's NPR's most recent story and their framing of what happened:
The altercation took place on May 1 on a New York City subway train. Neely, who used to perform on subway platforms as a Michael Jackson impersonator, was shouting that he was hungry and thirsty and moments later, Penny put Neely in a chokehold for several minutes. Neely was pronounced dead that same day.
https://www.npr.org/2023/05/21/1177435414/daniel-penny-interview-nyc-subway-killing-jordan-neely
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@Horace Listen to the advisory opinions podcast on the subject, which had a guest on who was a former public defender in Manhattan. It takes a deep look into the actual law and the nuances behind “imminent” violence. While the guy is very sympathetic to Penny, he certainly doesn’t think it’s as cut and dried as McCarthy thinks.
DON’T let them eat cake.
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@jon-nyc said in To Be A Coward:
@Horace Listen to the advisory opinions podcast on the subject, which had a guest on who was a former public defender in Manhattan. It takes a deep look into the actual law and the nuances behind “imminent” violence. I don’t think it’s as cut and dried as McCarthy thinks.
If you're responding to my first post in the thread, I was referring to a zoomed out version of the justice system. I understand that by technicality this case could potentially be prosecuted. I also understand that without the skin color thing, it wouldn't be.
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G George K referenced this topic on
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Education is extremely important.
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"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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@George-K said in To Be A Coward:
@Horace said in To Be A Coward:
Maybe Biden will pardon him.
He can't. Not a federal crime, I think.
No law can stop the Biden crime family.
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The police refused to administer CPR to the homeless man when they arrived and the man was still alive. Case closed.
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Check out the prosecutor. So on the nose.
Link to video
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That’s a dude, right?
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The judge has dropped count #1 (the more serious charge) and sent the jury back to deliberate on count #2 (some kind of "negligent homicide" thing). I'd guess there are one or two holdouts in the jury who want to convict the white man of something...anything.
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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@George-K said in To Be A Coward:
The judge has dropped count #1 (the more serious charge) and sent the jury back to deliberate on count #2 (some kind of "negligent homicide" thing). I'd guess there are one or two holdouts in the jury who want to convict the white man of something...anything.
Could be the opposite? Most jurors were going to convict and 1-2 refused?
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Did the judge formally dismiss the count?
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@LuFins-Dad said in To Be A Coward:
Could be the opposite? Most jurors were going to convict and 1-2 refused?
OF course.
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I used to think there were prosecutorial standards that prevented multiple charges for the same crime. Like you couldn’t charge manslaughter while also charging murder 1. You picked the most likely conviction charge and went with that. Ancillary charges were allowed of course. Firearm escalators, coverups, and such…
