Tucker: Masks and social distancing have no basis in science
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wrote on 12 Jul 2020, 17:01 last edited by
The issue is that you will inevitably end up accepting the same category of risks, as society eventually returns to not wearing masks, but then, by some unidentifiable magic that has little to do with anything other than the messaging you're exposed to, you will think it's proper. Or maybe you will go to your grave thinking everybody should be wearing masks.
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wrote on 12 Jul 2020, 17:02 last edited by
OK, so plain old communicable disease deaths don't matter.
We could reduce the number of communicable disease deaths by wearing masks, but non-pandemic deaths really don't matter.
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wrote on 12 Jul 2020, 17:11 last edited by
After everybody else stops wearing them, and in the presence of undeniable communicable disease risk, mask advocates are welcome to keep wearing masks, forever, and they are also welcome to stratify the rest of society into virtue levels depending on the date at which each individual chooses to stop wearing a mask while shopping.
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wrote on 12 Jul 2020, 17:37 last edited by
The scope of Pandemics is measured in deaths.
And for a number of months, as the pandemic was getting up to speed, the flu was worse.
Then the pandemic caught and passed the flu.
So what?
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wrote on 12 Jul 2020, 17:59 last edited by
I've got better things to do than listen to this.
Have a nice day.
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It's weird to meet someone, naturally going to shake hands, and then pull back knowing that all of us alive now, will be the last people that shook hands as part of social discourse.
"Grandpa, tell me about that thing where you hold a stranger's hand and pump it up and down. What was wrong with people back then?"
wrote on 12 Jul 2020, 19:59 last edited by@Rainman said in Tucker: Masks and social distancing have no basis in science:
It's weird to meet someone, naturally going to shake hands, and then pull back knowing that all of us alive now, will be the last people that shook hands as part of social discourse.
"Grandpa, tell me about that thing where you hold a stranger's hand and pump it up and down. What was wrong with people back then?"
I still shake hands if they are good with it.
Then I scream and douse them with hand sanitizer. Then light the hand sanitizer on fire and shout "Bad touch! Bad touch! Bad touch!"
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wrote on 12 Jul 2020, 20:01 last edited by
Let me be clear that I douse my hands in sanitizer and light them on fire, not the other person.
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Let me be clear that I douse my hands in sanitizer and light them on fire, not the other person.
wrote on 12 Jul 2020, 20:10 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in Tucker: Masks and social distancing have no basis in science:
Let me be clear that I douse my hands in sanitizer and light them on fire, not the other person.
Good to know!
I think I'll start doing that as well. -
wrote on 12 Jul 2020, 21:48 last edited by
Why are people having issues with Copper’s and Horace’s points? We are being told to wear masks so we won’t kill your grandmother. OK. We are told that not wearing a mask is immoral because it puts Grandma at greater risk. OK. So the Flu is deadly to Grandma as well and is just as preventable by the same simple step. Why wouldn’t we continue?Are you that immoral and selfish?
We’ve established who/what we are, now we are just haggling over cost.
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We all have different goals. Mine is to avoid contracting Covid-19 from some stupid fuck who refuses to wear a mask because it would somehow affect his liberty.
wrote on 12 Jul 2020, 22:22 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Tucker: Masks and social distancing have no basis in science:
We all have different goals. Mine is to avoid contracting Covid-19 from some stupid fuck who refuses to wear a mask because it would somehow affect his liberty.
That’s pretty much mine too.
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Why are people having issues with Copper’s and Horace’s points? We are being told to wear masks so we won’t kill your grandmother. OK. We are told that not wearing a mask is immoral because it puts Grandma at greater risk. OK. So the Flu is deadly to Grandma as well and is just as preventable by the same simple step. Why wouldn’t we continue?Are you that immoral and selfish?
We’ve established who/what we are, now we are just haggling over cost.
wrote on 12 Jul 2020, 23:21 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in Tucker: Masks and social distancing have no basis in science:
Why are people having issues with Copper’s and Horace’s points? We are being told to wear masks so we won’t kill your grandmother. OK. We are told that not wearing a mask is immoral because it puts Grandma at greater risk. OK. So the Flu is deadly to Grandma as well and is just as preventable by the same simple step. Why wouldn’t we continue?Are you that immoral and selfish?
We’ve established who/what we are, now we are just haggling over cost.
Yeah that's absolutely what their points are, we're all an intellectually honest group here.
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@LuFins-Dad said in Tucker: Masks and social distancing have no basis in science:
Why are people having issues with Copper’s and Horace’s points? We are being told to wear masks so we won’t kill your grandmother. OK. We are told that not wearing a mask is immoral because it puts Grandma at greater risk. OK. So the Flu is deadly to Grandma as well and is just as preventable by the same simple step. Why wouldn’t we continue?Are you that immoral and selfish?
We’ve established who/what we are, now we are just haggling over cost.
Yeah that's absolutely what their points are, we're all an intellectually honest group here.
wrote on 12 Jul 2020, 23:32 last edited by@Aqua-Letifer said in Tucker: Masks and social distancing have no basis in science:
@LuFins-Dad said in Tucker: Masks and social distancing have no basis in science:
Why are people having issues with Copper’s and Horace’s points? We are being told to wear masks so we won’t kill your grandmother. OK. We are told that not wearing a mask is immoral because it puts Grandma at greater risk. OK. So the Flu is deadly to Grandma as well and is just as preventable by the same simple step. Why wouldn’t we continue?Are you that immoral and selfish?
We’ve established who/what we are, now we are just haggling over cost.
Yeah that's absolutely what their points are, we're all an intellectually honest group here.
What is that?
It is a legit question. If we should wear masks to prevent some covid, why not prevent everything?
What is the limit?
I understand that Trump people wear fewer masks and Biden people love masks. cnn and fox made all that clear a long time ago.
But the question remains.
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wrote on 12 Jul 2020, 23:32 last edited by
Seemed like an accurate description of my points.
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wrote on 12 Jul 2020, 23:43 last edited by
Bad mood Sunday I guess.
Except me. Fat, happy, bubbly, joyous, and other BS. -
wrote on 12 Jul 2020, 23:47 last edited by
If you want to wear a mask at all times, feel free to do so.
What this argument about is certain people here and elsewhere have consistently downplayed the risks of this pandemic, and consistently argued that we should do nothing out of the ordinary, against pretty much all expert advice, and all evidence to the contrary. As the death toll has increased, the only thing that's changed has been the excuses used to justify doing nothing.
And I for one am fucking sick of it. I have zero interest in trying to nail jello to a wall.
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If you want to wear a mask at all times, feel free to do so.
What this argument about is certain people here and elsewhere have consistently downplayed the risks of this pandemic, and consistently argued that we should do nothing out of the ordinary, against pretty much all expert advice, and all evidence to the contrary. As the death toll has increased, the only thing that's changed has been the excuses used to justify doing nothing.
And I for one am fucking sick of it. I have zero interest in trying to nail jello to a wall.
wrote on 12 Jul 2020, 23:51 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Tucker: Masks and social distancing have no basis in science:
If you want to wear a mask at all times, feel free to do so.
What this argument about is certain people here and elsewhere have consistently downplayed the risks of this pandemic, and consistently argued that we should do nothing out of the ordinary, against pretty much all expert advice, and all evidence to the contrary. As the death toll has increased, the only thing that's changed has been the excuses used to justify doing nothing.
And I for one am fucking sick of it. I have zero interest in trying to nail jello to a wall.
But has the death toll increased? From what I've heard, case numbers are increasing, but deaths are decreasing.
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If you want to wear a mask at all times, feel free to do so.
What this argument about is certain people here and elsewhere have consistently downplayed the risks of this pandemic, and consistently argued that we should do nothing out of the ordinary, against pretty much all expert advice, and all evidence to the contrary. As the death toll has increased, the only thing that's changed has been the excuses used to justify doing nothing.
And I for one am fucking sick of it. I have zero interest in trying to nail jello to a wall.
wrote on 12 Jul 2020, 23:56 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Tucker: Masks and social distancing have no basis in science:
If you want to wear a mask at all times, feel free to do so.
What this argument about is certain people here and elsewhere have consistently downplayed the risks of this pandemic, and consistently argued that we should do nothing out of the ordinary, against pretty much all expert advice, and all evidence to the contrary. As the death toll has increased, the only thing that's changed has been the excuses used to justify doing nothing.
And I for one am fucking sick of it. I have zero interest in trying to nail jello to a wall.
That may not be an accurate portrayal of what people here have been "consistently" posting.
There should be room in the discussion for those who raise a few questions to the virtuous noises about saving lives at any cost. But I don't really think you want to have a discussion that allows for that room.
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If you want to wear a mask at all times, feel free to do so.
What this argument about is certain people here and elsewhere have consistently downplayed the risks of this pandemic, and consistently argued that we should do nothing out of the ordinary, against pretty much all expert advice, and all evidence to the contrary. As the death toll has increased, the only thing that's changed has been the excuses used to justify doing nothing.
And I for one am fucking sick of it. I have zero interest in trying to nail jello to a wall.
wrote on 12 Jul 2020, 23:59 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Tucker: Masks and social distancing have no basis in science:
If you want to wear a mask at all times, feel free to do so.
What this argument about is certain people here and elsewhere have consistently downplayed the risks of this pandemic, and consistently argued that we should do nothing out of the ordinary, against pretty much all expert advice, and all evidence to the contrary. As the death toll has increased, the only thing that's changed has been the excuses used to justify doing nothing.
And I for one am fucking sick of it. I have zero interest in trying to nail jello to a wall.
You need to live in my neck of the woods. The folks here are positively police state versus what I see and hear from the majority of people around here...
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Tucker: Masks and social distancing have no basis in science:
If you want to wear a mask at all times, feel free to do so.
What this argument about is certain people here and elsewhere have consistently downplayed the risks of this pandemic, and consistently argued that we should do nothing out of the ordinary, against pretty much all expert advice, and all evidence to the contrary. As the death toll has increased, the only thing that's changed has been the excuses used to justify doing nothing.
And I for one am fucking sick of it. I have zero interest in trying to nail jello to a wall.
But has the death toll increased? From what I've heard, case numbers are increasing, but deaths are decreasing.
wrote on 13 Jul 2020, 00:02 last edited by@Larry said in Tucker: Masks and social distancing have no basis in science:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Tucker: Masks and social distancing have no basis in science:
If you want to wear a mask at all times, feel free to do so.
What this argument about is certain people here and elsewhere have consistently downplayed the risks of this pandemic, and consistently argued that we should do nothing out of the ordinary, against pretty much all expert advice, and all evidence to the contrary. As the death toll has increased, the only thing that's changed has been the excuses used to justify doing nothing.
And I for one am fucking sick of it. I have zero interest in trying to nail jello to a wall.
But has the death toll increased? From what I've heard, case numbers are increasing, but deaths are decreasing.
The death rate may have reduced, however I fear that won't last. I'd be more than happy to be proved wrong, but I sure don't want to bet on it.
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wrote on 13 Jul 2020, 00:12 last edited by
I visited Taiwan, South Korea, and Japan, years before COVID-19. Even then it was quite common to see people there wore masks. The people there have somehow developed the social norm of wearing masks whenever they were sick with the common flu. I don’t think there was a government mandate for them to wear mask, but there was enough public health education and awareness that the people there generally accept that wearing a mask when one is sick with an illness that can infect others through coughs and sneezes is the right thing to do. This seems rather logical and need not be politicized as we have done here.
