A Letter on Justice and Open Debate

[Loki]

I am not following the controversy? Why are people withdrawing their signature?

[Mik]

@jon-nyc said in A Letter on Justice and Open Debate:

Plus you can’t really rule out the possibility that the legion of women who have refused to have sex with you included some trans women.

You never know until you ask!

[Horace]

@Mik said in A Letter on Justice and Open Debate:

@jon-nyc said in A Letter on Justice and Open Debate:

Plus you can’t really rule out the possibility that the legion of women who have refused to have sex with you included some trans women.

You never know until you ask!

Asking is all you can do. After they say no, there's no way to politely check for scars.

[jon-nyc]

Great piece in NRO on Matt Yglesias.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/07/its-come-to-this-we-must-defend-matt-yglesias/?utm_source=recirc-mobile&utm_medium=blog&utm_campaign=river&utm_content=top-stories&utm_term=fourth

[Horace]

Klein will hate that response. He has a keen nose for power grabs and to be seen to be kind and magnanimous has good messaging power. If he addresses it, he will frame it as a cynical ploy by NRO to capture the high ground.

[Loki]

Just so I am clear if J.K.Rowling had not signed this it would be no big deal?

[Doctor Phibes]

"the weaponization of victim status by vindictive, sophomoric busybodies who cannot bear the fact that someone else sees the world in a different way"

Nicely put

[LuFins Dad]

As far as I can tell, Rowling’s big sin is feeling that guys that biological males that identify as females should not be included in the rewards that feminism has won for women. And for this, her legacy is ruined.

[Doctor Phibes]

She's also managed to elevate herself to being discussed alongside Salman Rushdie, which was no mean feat.

[Horace]

I imagine trans folk are fierce and fearless combatants. They've already established that they're willing to self-mutilate to solve their emotional problems. Just what sort of clear headed response and self control do you suppose they'll have in the culture wars, which they now see as an extension of their life long psychological pain?

[Doctor Phibes]

The real problem in this debate is that everybody takes everything so personally. And that includes Rowling.

[jon-nyc]

Without Rowling the trans folks would have freaked out about Jesse Signal but not as much.

But had neither of them been there you might have heard some complaints about blacks on the list that don’t toe the woke line. In fact I’ve seen some of that but the trans women are more aggressive per Horace’s point.

[Doctor Phibes]

The apparent lack of any conception of irony when it comes to free speech is nothing new.

[Copper]

@jon-nyc said in A Letter on Justice and Open Debate:

trans women

When you say "trans women", does that refer to the origin or destination gender? Women who pretend to be men or men who pretend to be women?

[jon-nyc]

Men who want to be thought of and seen as women.

It took me a while too to get them, er, straight.

[LuFins Dad]

I'm so old, I remember when our identities weren't supposed to be based on our gender.

[George K]

@jon-nyc said in A Letter on Justice and Open Debate:

Men who want to be thought of and seen as women.

It took me a while too to get them, er, straight.

What a queer thing to say....

[jon-nyc]

[jon-nyc]

Chomsky on the reaction the letter has generated.

[Horace]

Yes it's well known that cancel culture is already a powerful force in our most important institutions. It's nice to see this data. It will be disgusting to watch the Ezra Kleins of the world continue to deny its existence.

Rogan had on recently the guy who wrote the nonsensical -studies papers that got accepted and published. He said that the last time a feminist studies (or any -studies) academic paper got seriously peer reviewed was in the 90s.