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A Letter on Justice and Open Debate

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    jon-nyc
    wrote on 9 Jul 2020, 03:54 last edited by
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    Matt Yglesias shut down by his boss.

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    Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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      jon-nyc
      wrote on 9 Jul 2020, 10:15 last edited by
      #28

      Best comment:

      Ezra Klein subtweeting and muzzling Yglesias, while allowing employees to tweet out public letters about how unsafe he's made them feel is 100% ultimate god-level douchebaggery. I would resign by the end of the day today.

      Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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        Loki
        wrote on 9 Jul 2020, 12:34 last edited by
        #29

        I am not following the controversy? Why are people withdrawing their signature?

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          8 Jul 2020, 14:09

          Plus you can’t really rule out the possibility that the legion of women who have refused to have sex with you included some trans women.

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          Mik
          wrote on 9 Jul 2020, 12:45 last edited by
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          @jon-nyc said in A Letter on Justice and Open Debate:

          Plus you can’t really rule out the possibility that the legion of women who have refused to have sex with you included some trans women.

          You never know until you ask!

          "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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          • M Mik
            9 Jul 2020, 12:45

            @jon-nyc said in A Letter on Justice and Open Debate:

            Plus you can’t really rule out the possibility that the legion of women who have refused to have sex with you included some trans women.

            You never know until you ask!

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            Horace
            wrote on 9 Jul 2020, 15:10 last edited by
            #31

            @Mik said in A Letter on Justice and Open Debate:

            @jon-nyc said in A Letter on Justice and Open Debate:

            Plus you can’t really rule out the possibility that the legion of women who have refused to have sex with you included some trans women.

            You never know until you ask!

            Asking is all you can do. After they say no, there's no way to politely check for scars.

            Education is extremely important.

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              jon-nyc
              wrote on 10 Jul 2020, 01:48 last edited by
              #32

              Great piece in NRO on Matt Yglesias.

              https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/07/its-come-to-this-we-must-defend-matt-yglesias/?utm_source=recirc-mobile&utm_medium=blog&utm_campaign=river&utm_content=top-stories&utm_term=fourth

              Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                Horace
                wrote on 10 Jul 2020, 02:19 last edited by
                #33

                Klein will hate that response. He has a keen nose for power grabs and to be seen to be kind and magnanimous has good messaging power. If he addresses it, he will frame it as a cynical ploy by NRO to capture the high ground.

                Education is extremely important.

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                  Loki
                  wrote on 10 Jul 2020, 12:29 last edited by
                  #34

                  Just so I am clear if J.K.Rowling had not signed this it would be no big deal?

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                    Doctor Phibes
                    wrote on 10 Jul 2020, 12:34 last edited by Doctor Phibes 7 Oct 2020, 12:34
                    #35

                    "the weaponization of victim status by vindictive, sophomoric busybodies who cannot bear the fact that someone else sees the world in a different way"

                    Nicely put

                    I was only joking

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                      LuFins Dad
                      wrote on 10 Jul 2020, 12:57 last edited by
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                      As far as I can tell, Rowling’s big sin is feeling that guys that biological males that identify as females should not be included in the rewards that feminism has won for women. And for this, her legacy is ruined.

                      The Brad

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                        Doctor Phibes
                        wrote on 10 Jul 2020, 13:09 last edited by
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                        She's also managed to elevate herself to being discussed alongside Salman Rushdie, which was no mean feat.

                        I was only joking

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                          Horace
                          wrote on 10 Jul 2020, 13:24 last edited by Horace 7 Oct 2020, 13:26
                          #38

                          I imagine trans folk are fierce and fearless combatants. They've already established that they're willing to self-mutilate to solve their emotional problems. Just what sort of clear headed response and self control do you suppose they'll have in the culture wars, which they now see as an extension of their life long psychological pain?

                          Education is extremely important.

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                            Doctor Phibes
                            wrote on 10 Jul 2020, 13:28 last edited by
                            #39

                            The real problem in this debate is that everybody takes everything so personally. And that includes Rowling.

                            I was only joking

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                              jon-nyc
                              wrote on 10 Jul 2020, 13:51 last edited by
                              #40

                              Without Rowling the trans folks would have freaked out about Jesse Signal but not as much.

                              But had neither of them been there you might have heard some complaints about blacks on the list that don’t toe the woke line. In fact I’ve seen some of that but the trans women are more aggressive per Horace’s point.

                              Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                                Doctor Phibes
                                wrote on 10 Jul 2020, 13:59 last edited by
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                                The apparent lack of any conception of irony when it comes to free speech is nothing new.

                                I was only joking

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                                  10 Jul 2020, 13:51

                                  Without Rowling the trans folks would have freaked out about Jesse Signal but not as much.

                                  But had neither of them been there you might have heard some complaints about blacks on the list that don’t toe the woke line. In fact I’ve seen some of that but the trans women are more aggressive per Horace’s point.

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                                  Copper
                                  wrote on 10 Jul 2020, 14:41 last edited by
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                                  @jon-nyc said in A Letter on Justice and Open Debate:

                                  trans women

                                  When you say "trans women", does that refer to the origin or destination gender? Women who pretend to be men or men who pretend to be women?

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                                    jon-nyc
                                    wrote on 10 Jul 2020, 14:43 last edited by
                                    #43

                                    Men who want to be thought of and seen as women.

                                    It took me a while too to get them, er, straight.

                                    Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                                      LuFins Dad
                                      wrote on 10 Jul 2020, 17:54 last edited by
                                      #44

                                      I'm so old, I remember when our identities weren't supposed to be based on our gender.

                                      The Brad

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                                        10 Jul 2020, 17:54

                                        I'm so old, I remember when our identities weren't supposed to be based on our gender.

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                                        George K
                                        wrote on 10 Jul 2020, 18:06 last edited by
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                                        @jon-nyc said in A Letter on Justice and Open Debate:

                                        Men who want to be thought of and seen as women.

                                        It took me a while too to get them, er, straight.

                                        What a queer thing to say....

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                          jon-nyc
                                          wrote on 12 Jul 2020, 11:03 last edited by
                                          #46

                                          Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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