Anyone watching the Oscars?
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@Jolly said in Anyone watching the Oscars?:
If all the critics think it's wonderful or the performances were sublime, if it doesn't put butts in the seats, it's forgettable at best.
I tried to address that, obviously unsuccessfuly, by questioning what is "best."
Shakespeare didn't write for historic fame or awards. He wrote to put butts in the seats.
Yes. Butts in seats is the bottom (pun intended) line.
The same can be said about Dickens, I suppose. Gotta pay the bills.
wrote on 14 Mar 2023, 02:26 last edited by@George-K said in Anyone watching the Oscars?:
@Jolly said in Anyone watching the Oscars?:
If all the critics think it's wonderful or the performances were sublime, if it doesn't put butts in the seats, it's forgettable at best.
I tried to address that, obviously unsuccessfuly, by questioning what is "best."
Shakespeare didn't write for historic fame or awards. He wrote to put butts in the seats.
Yes. Butts in seats is the bottom (pun intended) line.
The same can be said about Dickens, I suppose. Gotta pay the bills.
Absolutely. A Christmas Carol was written because Dickens needed the money.
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wrote on 14 Mar 2023, 02:26 last edited by
Every year I'm led to the conclusion that The Oscars are a work of marketing genius.
The movie industry gives itself a massive pat on the back, and they actually manage to persuade people to watch and discuss this self-congratulatory mass wank as though it's genuinely important. It's a bunch of fucking overpaid people telling each other how great they are.
And what happens after the Oscars? Everybody goes and watches all the nominated movies they haven't seen yet.
They're getting paid to advertise themselves.
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Every year I'm led to the conclusion that The Oscars are a work of marketing genius.
The movie industry gives itself a massive pat on the back, and they actually manage to persuade people to watch and discuss this self-congratulatory mass wank as though it's genuinely important. It's a bunch of fucking overpaid people telling each other how great they are.
And what happens after the Oscars? Everybody goes and watches all the nominated movies they haven't seen yet.
They're getting paid to advertise themselves.
wrote on 14 Mar 2023, 02:42 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Anyone watching the Oscars?:
Every year I'm led to the conclusion that The Oscars are a work of marketing genius.
The movie industry gives itself a massive pat on the back, and they actually manage to persuade people to watch and discuss this self-congratulatory mass wank as though it's genuinely important. It's a bunch of fucking overpaid people telling each other how great they are.
And what happens after the Oscars? Everybody goes and watches all the nominated movies they haven't seen yet.
They're getting paid to advertise themselves.
Fantastic, and not wrong.
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wrote on 14 Mar 2023, 02:48 last edited by
Indeed it’s marketing, movies that can claim to have won or be nominated for a top prize, actors the same… then again, personally I’ve enjoyed the Oscars as it helps recap and put a “close on one year” of movies and kick off the next year. Without it, in my head at least, things would get a little muddy in terms of movie releases, and so forth.
Just watched Jimmy’s opening monologue, thought it was pretty good.
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wrote on 16 Mar 2023, 13:06 last edited by
@George-K said in Anyone watching the Oscars?:
Apparently not
Oscars Sees Ratings DISASTER With Host Jimmy Kimmel As Audiences Reject Woke Hollywood
Here’s a look at the ratings over the last decade:
• 2013: 40.3 million
• 2014: 43.7 million
• 2015: 37.3 million
• 2016: 34.4 million
• 2017: 32.9 million
• 2018: 26.5 million
• 2019: 29.6 million
• 2020: 23.6 million
• 2021: 10.4 million (virus year)
• 2022: 16.6 million
• 2023: 16 million
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wrote on 16 Mar 2023, 13:09 last edited by Catseye3
So how much of it is due to Jimmy Kimmel and how much to woke?
I'd really love a deeper dive into how much of it is due to woke.
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So how much of it is due to Jimmy Kimmel and how much to woke?
I'd really love a deeper dive into how much of it is due to woke.
wrote on 16 Mar 2023, 13:32 last edited by@Catseye3 said in Anyone watching the Oscars?:
So how much of it is due to Jimmy Kimmel and how much to woke?
Just spitballing here...
If I had to guess, it's not so much the "woke" culture as it is the naked politicization of EVERYTHING. In other threads, I've mentioned how today's late-night TV monologues are less of a comedy stand-up than a political harangue railing about an unliked politician. Kimmel and Colbert are notorious in that way, and Fallon's getting there.
So, when it comes time to do the Oscars, and Kimmel is the host, people not only know what they're going to see, they expect it.
And if they don't like it, they don't tune in and read about the winners in the newspapers the next day.
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wrote on 16 Mar 2023, 13:45 last edited by Doctor Phibes
I'm guessing the main reason that regular TV audiences are dwindling is that there are so many commercial free alternatives.
I'd much rather stream Woke Disney Plus than be watching Woke Oscars with all the commercials interrupting the main commercial.
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Every year I'm led to the conclusion that The Oscars are a work of marketing genius.
The movie industry gives itself a massive pat on the back, and they actually manage to persuade people to watch and discuss this self-congratulatory mass wank as though it's genuinely important. It's a bunch of fucking overpaid people telling each other how great they are.
And what happens after the Oscars? Everybody goes and watches all the nominated movies they haven't seen yet.
They're getting paid to advertise themselves.
wrote on 16 Mar 2023, 13:49 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Anyone watching the Oscars?:
Every year I'm led to the conclusion that The Oscars are a work of marketing genius.
The movie industry gives itself a massive pat on the back, and they actually manage to persuade people to watch and discuss this self-congratulatory mass wank as though it's genuinely important. It's a bunch of fucking overpaid people telling each other how great they are.
And what happens after the Oscars? Everybody goes and watches all the nominated movies they haven't seen yet.
They're getting paid to advertise themselves.
Mass wank. POTD.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Anyone watching the Oscars?:
Every year I'm led to the conclusion that The Oscars are a work of marketing genius.
The movie industry gives itself a massive pat on the back, and they actually manage to persuade people to watch and discuss this self-congratulatory mass wank as though it's genuinely important. It's a bunch of fucking overpaid people telling each other how great they are.
And what happens after the Oscars? Everybody goes and watches all the nominated movies they haven't seen yet.
They're getting paid to advertise themselves.
Mass wank. POTD.
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@Catseye3 said in Anyone watching the Oscars?:
So how much of it is due to Jimmy Kimmel and how much to woke?
Just spitballing here...
If I had to guess, it's not so much the "woke" culture as it is the naked politicization of EVERYTHING. In other threads, I've mentioned how today's late-night TV monologues are less of a comedy stand-up than a political harangue railing about an unliked politician. Kimmel and Colbert are notorious in that way, and Fallon's getting there.
So, when it comes time to do the Oscars, and Kimmel is the host, people not only know what they're going to see, they expect it.
And if they don't like it, they don't tune in and read about the winners in the newspapers the next day.
wrote on 16 Mar 2023, 18:15 last edited by@George-K said in Anyone watching the Oscars?:
If I had to guess, it's not so much the "woke" culture as it is the naked politicization of EVERYTHING.
I'd like a better understanding of how much influence so-called wokedom has in reality. Taken as a whole, it is so vastly stupid that I can't get away from the belief that it will be short lived.
How much is actually out there, and how much is (mistakenly) believed to be there by you, me, the media? How much is claimed to be believed in by people who a) don't actually care, but want to appear kewl or b) don't care and don't even have a good knowledge of what it is?
How much of the wokedom effect is fabricated by the media, who know a good ratings draw when they see it? And if some percentage is fabricated for effect, how would you or I know?
And so on.
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@George-K said in Anyone watching the Oscars?:
If I had to guess, it's not so much the "woke" culture as it is the naked politicization of EVERYTHING.
I'd like a better understanding of how much influence so-called wokedom has in reality. Taken as a whole, it is so vastly stupid that I can't get away from the belief that it will be short lived.
How much is actually out there, and how much is (mistakenly) believed to be there by you, me, the media? How much is claimed to be believed in by people who a) don't actually care, but want to appear kewl or b) don't care and don't even have a good knowledge of what it is?
How much of the wokedom effect is fabricated by the media, who know a good ratings draw when they see it? And if some percentage is fabricated for effect, how would you or I know?
And so on.
wrote on 16 Mar 2023, 18:29 last edited by@Catseye3 said in Anyone watching the Oscars?:
@George-K said in Anyone watching the Oscars?:
If I had to guess, it's not so much the "woke" culture as it is the naked politicization of EVERYTHING.
I'd like a better understanding of how much influence so-called wokedom has in reality. Taken as a whole, it is so vastly stupid that I can't get away from the belief that it will be short lived.
How much is actually out there, and how much is (mistakenly) believed to be there by you, me, the media? How much is claimed to be believed in by people who a) don't actually care, but want to appear kewl or b) don't care and don't even have a good knowledge of what it is?
How much of the wokedom effect is fabricated by the media, who know a good ratings draw when they see it? And if some percentage is fabricated for effect, how would you or I know?
And so on.
All good questions, deserving of answers. I dunno, but I hope it's a fad. It's a fad that can ruin a person socially and financially, though.
