Anyone watching the Oscars?
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@George-K said in Anyone watching the Oscars?:
@Jolly said in Anyone watching the Oscars?:
If there was justice in the world, Maverick would have won best pic.What's "Best"? Telling a compelling story or popcorn? Maverick was popcorn. It was DAMN GOOD popcorn and I thoroughly enjoyed it. Great production values, special effects, a pretty good (re-told) story and a ton of fun. A TON of fun. I loved it.
Is it something that tells an intimate story that is artfully crafted, something like "Birdman", which was weird AF, but I really enjoyed it?
I dunno.
I don't think I've ever seen a "popcorn" movie like "Maverick" nominated. That's not a bad thing, but just an observation.
After COVID, it was the one movie that put butts in the seats.
Indeed. And McDonalds and BK sell more burgers than anyone else. Does that make them great cuisine? Of course not.
So what's "best," as I said? Most popular? Most artsy-fartsy? Most money making?
The Oscars are a popularity contest, and every now and then, the votes veer to "being correct" for a variety or reasons (Jamie Lee Curtis?). That's not necessarily wrong, but that's what it is. The Academy needs to justify itself, and by excluding "Maverick" they accomplished that.
Is "Everything..." that good? Look at some of the other Best Pictures in history - Godfather, GWTW, Return of the King, Gladiator (perhaps the most popcorn-ey in recent history). Does "Maverick" compare?
Now look at others. Nomadland (?), Shape of Water, Argo, Shakespeare in Love. I didn't like any of them as much as Maverick. But that's me.
Gotta keep that perspective.
See the post about Cruise saving Hollywood's ass. I agree, whole-heartedly.
Face it, there's not but so many plots. 7? 10? 15? Whatever the number, the bottom line is whether or not the movie/play/book is entertaining. If all the critics think it's wonderful or the performances were sublime, if it doesn't put butts in the seats, it's forgettable at best.
Shakespeare didn't write for historic fame or awards. He wrote to put butts in the seats.
@Jolly said in Anyone watching the Oscars?:
If all the critics think it's wonderful or the performances were sublime, if it doesn't put butts in the seats, it's forgettable at best.
I tried to address that, obviously unsuccessfuly, by questioning what is "best."
Shakespeare didn't write for historic fame or awards. He wrote to put butts in the seats.
Yes. Butts in seats is the bottom (pun intended) line.
The same can be said about Dickens, I suppose. Gotta pay the bills.
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@Jolly said in Anyone watching the Oscars?:
If all the critics think it's wonderful or the performances were sublime, if it doesn't put butts in the seats, it's forgettable at best.
I tried to address that, obviously unsuccessfuly, by questioning what is "best."
Shakespeare didn't write for historic fame or awards. He wrote to put butts in the seats.
Yes. Butts in seats is the bottom (pun intended) line.
The same can be said about Dickens, I suppose. Gotta pay the bills.
@George-K said in Anyone watching the Oscars?:
@Jolly said in Anyone watching the Oscars?:
If all the critics think it's wonderful or the performances were sublime, if it doesn't put butts in the seats, it's forgettable at best.
I tried to address that, obviously unsuccessfuly, by questioning what is "best."
Shakespeare didn't write for historic fame or awards. He wrote to put butts in the seats.
Yes. Butts in seats is the bottom (pun intended) line.
The same can be said about Dickens, I suppose. Gotta pay the bills.
Absolutely. A Christmas Carol was written because Dickens needed the money.
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Every year I'm led to the conclusion that The Oscars are a work of marketing genius.
The movie industry gives itself a massive pat on the back, and they actually manage to persuade people to watch and discuss this self-congratulatory mass wank as though it's genuinely important. It's a bunch of fucking overpaid people telling each other how great they are.
And what happens after the Oscars? Everybody goes and watches all the nominated movies they haven't seen yet.
They're getting paid to advertise themselves.
I was only joking
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Every year I'm led to the conclusion that The Oscars are a work of marketing genius.
The movie industry gives itself a massive pat on the back, and they actually manage to persuade people to watch and discuss this self-congratulatory mass wank as though it's genuinely important. It's a bunch of fucking overpaid people telling each other how great they are.
And what happens after the Oscars? Everybody goes and watches all the nominated movies they haven't seen yet.
They're getting paid to advertise themselves.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Anyone watching the Oscars?:
Every year I'm led to the conclusion that The Oscars are a work of marketing genius.
The movie industry gives itself a massive pat on the back, and they actually manage to persuade people to watch and discuss this self-congratulatory mass wank as though it's genuinely important. It's a bunch of fucking overpaid people telling each other how great they are.
And what happens after the Oscars? Everybody goes and watches all the nominated movies they haven't seen yet.
They're getting paid to advertise themselves.
Fantastic, and not wrong.
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Indeed it’s marketing, movies that can claim to have won or be nominated for a top prize, actors the same… then again, personally I’ve enjoyed the Oscars as it helps recap and put a “close on one year” of movies and kick off the next year. Without it, in my head at least, things would get a little muddy in terms of movie releases, and so forth.
Just watched Jimmy’s opening monologue, thought it was pretty good.
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@George-K said in Anyone watching the Oscars?:
Apparently not
Oscars Sees Ratings DISASTER With Host Jimmy Kimmel As Audiences Reject Woke Hollywood
Here’s a look at the ratings over the last decade:
• 2013: 40.3 million
• 2014: 43.7 million
• 2015: 37.3 million
• 2016: 34.4 million
• 2017: 32.9 million
• 2018: 26.5 million
• 2019: 29.6 million
• 2020: 23.6 million
• 2021: 10.4 million (virus year)
• 2022: 16.6 million
• 2023: 16 million
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So how much of it is due to Jimmy Kimmel and how much to woke?
I'd really love a deeper dive into how much of it is due to woke.
@Catseye3 said in Anyone watching the Oscars?:
So how much of it is due to Jimmy Kimmel and how much to woke?
Just spitballing here...
If I had to guess, it's not so much the "woke" culture as it is the naked politicization of EVERYTHING. In other threads, I've mentioned how today's late-night TV monologues are less of a comedy stand-up than a political harangue railing about an unliked politician. Kimmel and Colbert are notorious in that way, and Fallon's getting there.
So, when it comes time to do the Oscars, and Kimmel is the host, people not only know what they're going to see, they expect it.
And if they don't like it, they don't tune in and read about the winners in the newspapers the next day.
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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I'm guessing the main reason that regular TV audiences are dwindling is that there are so many commercial free alternatives.
I'd much rather stream Woke Disney Plus than be watching Woke Oscars with all the commercials interrupting the main commercial.
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Every year I'm led to the conclusion that The Oscars are a work of marketing genius.
The movie industry gives itself a massive pat on the back, and they actually manage to persuade people to watch and discuss this self-congratulatory mass wank as though it's genuinely important. It's a bunch of fucking overpaid people telling each other how great they are.
And what happens after the Oscars? Everybody goes and watches all the nominated movies they haven't seen yet.
They're getting paid to advertise themselves.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Anyone watching the Oscars?:
Every year I'm led to the conclusion that The Oscars are a work of marketing genius.
The movie industry gives itself a massive pat on the back, and they actually manage to persuade people to watch and discuss this self-congratulatory mass wank as though it's genuinely important. It's a bunch of fucking overpaid people telling each other how great they are.
And what happens after the Oscars? Everybody goes and watches all the nominated movies they haven't seen yet.
They're getting paid to advertise themselves.
Mass wank. POTD.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Anyone watching the Oscars?:
Every year I'm led to the conclusion that The Oscars are a work of marketing genius.
The movie industry gives itself a massive pat on the back, and they actually manage to persuade people to watch and discuss this self-congratulatory mass wank as though it's genuinely important. It's a bunch of fucking overpaid people telling each other how great they are.
And what happens after the Oscars? Everybody goes and watches all the nominated movies they haven't seen yet.
They're getting paid to advertise themselves.
Mass wank. POTD.
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@Catseye3 said in Anyone watching the Oscars?:
So how much of it is due to Jimmy Kimmel and how much to woke?
Just spitballing here...
If I had to guess, it's not so much the "woke" culture as it is the naked politicization of EVERYTHING. In other threads, I've mentioned how today's late-night TV monologues are less of a comedy stand-up than a political harangue railing about an unliked politician. Kimmel and Colbert are notorious in that way, and Fallon's getting there.
So, when it comes time to do the Oscars, and Kimmel is the host, people not only know what they're going to see, they expect it.
And if they don't like it, they don't tune in and read about the winners in the newspapers the next day.
@George-K said in Anyone watching the Oscars?:
If I had to guess, it's not so much the "woke" culture as it is the naked politicization of EVERYTHING.
I'd like a better understanding of how much influence so-called wokedom has in reality. Taken as a whole, it is so vastly stupid that I can't get away from the belief that it will be short lived.
How much is actually out there, and how much is (mistakenly) believed to be there by you, me, the media? How much is claimed to be believed in by people who a) don't actually care, but want to appear kewl or b) don't care and don't even have a good knowledge of what it is?
How much of the wokedom effect is fabricated by the media, who know a good ratings draw when they see it? And if some percentage is fabricated for effect, how would you or I know?
And so on.
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@George-K said in Anyone watching the Oscars?:
If I had to guess, it's not so much the "woke" culture as it is the naked politicization of EVERYTHING.
I'd like a better understanding of how much influence so-called wokedom has in reality. Taken as a whole, it is so vastly stupid that I can't get away from the belief that it will be short lived.
How much is actually out there, and how much is (mistakenly) believed to be there by you, me, the media? How much is claimed to be believed in by people who a) don't actually care, but want to appear kewl or b) don't care and don't even have a good knowledge of what it is?
How much of the wokedom effect is fabricated by the media, who know a good ratings draw when they see it? And if some percentage is fabricated for effect, how would you or I know?
And so on.
@Catseye3 said in Anyone watching the Oscars?:
@George-K said in Anyone watching the Oscars?:
If I had to guess, it's not so much the "woke" culture as it is the naked politicization of EVERYTHING.
I'd like a better understanding of how much influence so-called wokedom has in reality. Taken as a whole, it is so vastly stupid that I can't get away from the belief that it will be short lived.
How much is actually out there, and how much is (mistakenly) believed to be there by you, me, the media? How much is claimed to be believed in by people who a) don't actually care, but want to appear kewl or b) don't care and don't even have a good knowledge of what it is?
How much of the wokedom effect is fabricated by the media, who know a good ratings draw when they see it? And if some percentage is fabricated for effect, how would you or I know?
And so on.
All good questions, deserving of answers. I dunno, but I hope it's a fad. It's a fad that can ruin a person socially and financially, though.
