Will TuCa change the narrative?

[Doctor Phibes]

@taiwan_girl said in Will TuCa change the narrative?:

Seems like a lot of Republic Senators disagree regarding Tucker Carlsons interpretation

“I think it’s bull****,” Sen. Thom Tillis, R-N.C., told reporters in the Capitol hallways on Tuesday.

"I was here. It was not peaceful. It was an abomination," Sen. John Kennedy," R-La."

"I thought it was an insurrection at that time. I still think it was an insurrection today," Sen. Mike Rounds, R-S.D.

"To somehow put that in the same category as a permitted peaceful protest is just a lie," Sen. Kevin Cramer," R-N.D., said.

"It’s a very dangerous thing to do, to suggest that attacking the Capitol of the United States is in any way acceptable and it’s anything other than a serious crime, against democracy and against our country,” Sen. Mitt Romney, R-Utah said. “And people saw that it was violent and destructive and should never happen again. But trying to normalize that behavior is dangerous and disgusting.”

"I think it was an attack on the Capitol. … There were a lot of people in the Capitol at the time that were scared for their lives," Senate Minority Whip John Thune, R-S.D., said.

"The point is, what happened that day shouldn’t have happened," Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa

"Clearly the chief of the Capitol Police, in my view, correctly described what most of us witnessed firsthand on Jan. 6,” Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky said

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/jan-6-video-tucker-carlson/2023/03/07/id/1111477/

Bueller?

Bueller?

Anyone?

Anyone?

[Jolly]

Sure.

Riot? Yep.

Insurrection? No.

BTW, I haven't heard Tucker say it was right, haven't heard him say it wasn't violent, but I have heard him say we don't have the whole story.

I invite you to watch his show and judge for yourself.

[Doctor Phibes]

@Jolly said in Will TuCa change the narrative?:

Sure.

Riot? Yep.

Insurrection? No.

BTW, I haven't heard Tucker say it was right, haven't heard him say it wasn't violent, but I have heard him say we don't have the whole story.

I invite you to watch his show and judge for yourself.

I don't actually think it was an attempted insurrection on behalf of the violent idiots carrying it out. It was a group tantrum, and one that could have led to a lot more death and unpleasantness than actually occurred.

What Trump actually had in mind with his shit-stirring and childish behaviour is anybody's guess. Maybe he didn't even know himself. Clearly he doesn't accept failure in a very mature or even particularly rational manner.

For anybody to imply that he bears no responsibility for what happened, and his inability to accept defeat was primarily due to failings in the US electoral system would be unrealistic.

As far as watching Tucker Carlson's show goes - no, thanks. Apart from anything else, I find him extremely annoying. I wouldn't sit through a Michael Moore movie either, so it's not just his politics.

[Mik]

I think it is good for Americans to see this footage, to see the whole day was not violent clashes with Capitol police. There was an ebb and flow for that.

But both sides cherry picked what buttressed their story. Just put the whole damn thing out there and let those who want to watch do so.

But the main takeaway is not threat to representative democracy but that Trump should never again hold the levers of power.

[George K]

@Mik said in Will TuCa change the narrative?:

But both sides cherry picked what buttressed their story. Just put the whole damn thing out there and let those who want to watch do so.

Exactly. The outrage of government officials saying that viewing this is a "threat to democracy" is ridiculous. (Am I the only one tired of this phrase?). The editing that was done to show Hawley running out of the Capitol was done for exactly one reason - to humiliate him. Talk about "selective editing," ffs. Everyone's trying to tell a story here, and the fact that, for more than two year, only the government was allowed to is disgraceful.

[Mik]

Not to mention the dishonest, weaponized way they did so.

[George K]

@Mik said in Will TuCa change the narrative?:

Not to mention the dishonest, weaponized way they did so.

You mean like adding a soundtrack to the video?

Oh, my giddy aunt, James O'Keefe would have been proud, I suppose.

[Horace]

@Doctor-Phibes said in Will TuCa change the narrative?:

@taiwan_girl said in Will TuCa change the narrative?:

Seems like a lot of Republic Senators disagree regarding Tucker Carlsons interpretation

“I think it’s bull****,” Sen. Thom Tillis, R-N.C., told reporters in the Capitol hallways on Tuesday.

"I was here. It was not peaceful. It was an abomination," Sen. John Kennedy," R-La."

"I thought it was an insurrection at that time. I still think it was an insurrection today," Sen. Mike Rounds, R-S.D.

"To somehow put that in the same category as a permitted peaceful protest is just a lie," Sen. Kevin Cramer," R-N.D., said.

"It’s a very dangerous thing to do, to suggest that attacking the Capitol of the United States is in any way acceptable and it’s anything other than a serious crime, against democracy and against our country,” Sen. Mitt Romney, R-Utah said. “And people saw that it was violent and destructive and should never happen again. But trying to normalize that behavior is dangerous and disgusting.”

"I think it was an attack on the Capitol. … There were a lot of people in the Capitol at the time that were scared for their lives," Senate Minority Whip John Thune, R-S.D., said.

"The point is, what happened that day shouldn’t have happened," Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa

"Clearly the chief of the Capitol Police, in my view, correctly described what most of us witnessed firsthand on Jan. 6,” Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky said

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/jan-6-video-tucker-carlson/2023/03/07/id/1111477/

Bueller?

Bueller?

Anyone?

Anyone?

Republicans speaking honestly about what they think and what they saw.

[Horace]

@Doctor-Phibes said in Will TuCa change the narrative?:

For anybody to imply that [Trump] bears no responsibility for what happened

I doubt you'll find that viewpoint even on TuCa.

[Doctor Phibes]

@Horace said in Will TuCa change the narrative?:

@Doctor-Phibes said in Will TuCa change the narrative?:

@taiwan_girl said in Will TuCa change the narrative?:

Seems like a lot of Republic Senators disagree regarding Tucker Carlsons interpretation

“I think it’s bull****,” Sen. Thom Tillis, R-N.C., told reporters in the Capitol hallways on Tuesday.

"I was here. It was not peaceful. It was an abomination," Sen. John Kennedy," R-La."

"I thought it was an insurrection at that time. I still think it was an insurrection today," Sen. Mike Rounds, R-S.D.

"To somehow put that in the same category as a permitted peaceful protest is just a lie," Sen. Kevin Cramer," R-N.D., said.

"It’s a very dangerous thing to do, to suggest that attacking the Capitol of the United States is in any way acceptable and it’s anything other than a serious crime, against democracy and against our country,” Sen. Mitt Romney, R-Utah said. “And people saw that it was violent and destructive and should never happen again. But trying to normalize that behavior is dangerous and disgusting.”

"I think it was an attack on the Capitol. … There were a lot of people in the Capitol at the time that were scared for their lives," Senate Minority Whip John Thune, R-S.D., said.

"The point is, what happened that day shouldn’t have happened," Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa

"Clearly the chief of the Capitol Police, in my view, correctly described what most of us witnessed firsthand on Jan. 6,” Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky said

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/jan-6-video-tucker-carlson/2023/03/07/id/1111477/

Bueller?

Bueller?

Anyone?

Anyone?

Republicans speaking honestly about what they think and what they saw.

Yes, and fair play to them - it's refreshing to see their honesty. Their reaction seems to be rather at odds with some of the folks here.

[LuFins Dad]

So… Anybody changed their minds yet? Or do you pretty much think the same thing you did on January 13th, 2021?

[Doctor Phibes]

@Horace said in Will TuCa change the narrative?:

@Doctor-Phibes said in Will TuCa change the narrative?:

For anybody to imply that [Trump] bears no responsibility for what happened

I doubt you'll find that viewpoint even on TuCa.

Well, the main reason frequently touted for Trump not accepting his defeat was the huge number of problems and inconsistencies with the US election process. The real reason he couldn't accept defeat, of course, is because he's Donald Trump.

[Doctor Phibes]

@LuFins-Dad said in Will TuCa change the narrative?:

So… Anybody changed their minds yet? Or do you pretty much think the same thing you did on January 13th, 2021?

I used to think Donald Trump was a twat. Now I think he's an utter twat.

[Horace]

@Doctor-Phibes said in Will TuCa change the narrative?:

@Horace said in Will TuCa change the narrative?:

@Doctor-Phibes said in Will TuCa change the narrative?:

For anybody to imply that [Trump] bears no responsibility for what happened

I doubt you'll find that viewpoint even on TuCa.

Well, the main reason frequently touted for Trump not accepting his defeat was the huge number of problems and inconsistencies with the US election process. The real reason he couldn't accept defeat, of course, is because he's Donald Trump.

Some people are psychologically incapable of taking an L.

[Doctor Phibes]

@Horace said in Will TuCa change the narrative?:

Some people are psychologically incapable of taking an L.

Sure, and that should be obvious just from watching him on TV. What I find a bit depressing is how many of his supporters go along with his bullshit.

I know, I know, the Democrats are the same, I'm sure we can find lots of examples.

[Jolly]

@Doctor-Phibes said in Will TuCa change the narrative?:

@Horace said in Will TuCa change the narrative?:

@Doctor-Phibes said in Will TuCa change the narrative?:

For anybody to imply that [Trump] bears no responsibility for what happened

I doubt you'll find that viewpoint even on TuCa.

Well, the main reason frequently touted for Trump not accepting his defeat was the huge number of problems and inconsistencies with the US election process. The real reason he couldn't accept defeat, of course, is because he's Donald Trump.

And...You're missing the point.

There are huge problems with elections within some states in America. Anybody with eyes and one-half of a brain knows this.

The way to not have a candidate question the outcome of an election (at least where people wouldn't believe him) is to have elections that are honest beyond reproach.

[Mik]

@LuFins-Dad said in Will TuCa change the narrative?:

So… Anybody changed their minds yet? Or do you pretty much think the same thing you did on January 13th, 2021?

Same.

[George K]

McCarthy's take:

https://www.nationalreview.com/2023/03/making-sense-of-the-capitol-riot-tapes/

Some of the highlights:

I’d have preferred for the committee to have been bipartisan; to have conducted traditional, adversarial hearings; and to have released full transcripts and videos of the witness testimony that it sliced and diced in its public presentations. That way, we could have judged for ourselves whether those presentations were fair and accurate.

But that’s not the way Democrats roll. To the extent this led to distortions that should be corrected, I’d have similarly preferred that McCarthy turn the video cache over to news reporters — there are plenty of outstanding ones at Fox News and elsewhere on the center-right — rather than to an opinion journalist who has as many ardent detractors as devoted fans.

In Chansley’s case, we should be mindful that what is new to us is not necessarily new to him. Knowing what the proof against him showed, Chansley, represented by experienced defense counsel, voluntarily pled guilty to obstructing a congressional proceeding (namely, the January 6 joint session of Congress at which the state-certified electoral votes were counted and then-candidate Biden’s Electoral College victory was affirmed). His lawyers would have insisted on being shown any potentially exculpatory evidence prior to the guilty plea, and the prosecutors would have been obliged to produce it. I presume Chansley knew about this video, or at least images just like it; after all, he was in the Capitol and knew what he experienced there, including his interactions with the police.

And he pled guilty anyway, because there is nothing exculpatory on the video clips that Carlson has published.
Understand: As a matter of law, what is exculpatory or incriminating is not assessed based on a media narrative. It is assessed based on the specific charges in the case. Here, the charge was that Chansley obstructed Congress. One need not engage in an insurrection, or even a riot, to obstruct Congress. One need only be in a place one has no lawful right to be in, and willfully engage in action that prevents Congress from conducting its proceedings. In that sense, the just-released video is the antithesis of exculpatory evidence; it shows Chansley committing the crime charged.

This was a riot. It was not an insurrection — the word Abraham Lincoln applied to the Civil War, and the word for a federal crime that none of the 900 defendants has been charged with. The riot was condemnable but utterly ineffectual.

The mindlessly repeated refrain that the riot “prevented the peaceful transition of power” is overwrought. The transition of power was never in doubt. Was the peace disturbed? Yes . . . that’s why so many people have been prosecuted, some for serious offenses, and many others for trivial crimes that the Justice Department would normally decline to charge. But there was so little damage done to the Capitol that Congress was able to reconvene a few hours after order was restored. It promptly affirmed Biden’s victory, as it was always certain to do. No one tried to blow up the Capitol. No one tried to mass-kill the security forces. Our Constitution held firm, and there was never any reason to suspect it wouldn’t. Our democracy was not realistically imperiled, much less at the precipice of annihilation.

The video we are now seeing does not establish anyone’s innocence. It does, however, bolster the conclusion that the Democrats’ political messaging about the day has been a duplicitous exercise in mythmaking. Is Tucker Carlson presenting a depiction of January 6 that is overly sympathetic to a violent mob? Probably so . . . but then, the Democrat-dominated January 6 committee put its thumb on the scale as it presented Götterdämmerung.

Neither version is accurate, as we already knew from having watched the televised goings-on in real time. What happened on January 6 was a riot. It was as surreal as the QAnon shaman’s getup. It was a disgrace. It has resulted in scores of worthy prosecutions. Though Donald Trump did not incite it in the strict criminal-law meaning of that term, it is an indelible, disqualifying stain on his record as president.

But it wasn’t the end of domestic tranquility and republican democracy, much less the end of the world.

[George K]

Schumer agrees to go on Carlson's show if....

[89th]

When Tucker says "to this day there is dispute over how the Shaman got into the Capitol", which is an odd phrase since they literally just played a clip of him coming in through the broken down doors/windows with the first wave of people.

He also said that the Capitol Police acted as the Shaman's tour guide. Umm no, they were monitoring him as he walked around the Capitol. It was clear on Day 1 that there was a point where the police decided not to stop the remaining protestors as they explored the capitol, including the chambers, as I would imagine personnel were prioritizing the evacuation and protection of congressional members and exterior defense at that point.

I have no problem with the Jan 6 committee selecting footage needed to prove their case that what some folks did on that day was criminal. Or maybe the Jan 6 committee was needed to balance out the Tucker Carlsons of the world who think the protestors innocently queued up to take a tour of the rotunda. (his words, not mine)