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    Mik
    wrote on 4 Jul 2020, 00:09 last edited by
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    ..is on Disney streaming. Well worth paying for a month. Absolute brilliance.

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      Aqua Letifer
      wrote on 4 Jul 2020, 00:15 last edited by
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      [Ignorance]Here's my problem with most musicals: there are many, many exceptions to this, but as a general rule, I don't find the songs clever. At all. The rhyme scheme is so obvious and the way they're sung a lot of the time—with so much damn emphasis—it's like the theatre equivalent of the not-as-funny-as-he-thinks bar buddy who repeats his joke's punchline because it didn't land the first time. It's grating as shit.[/Ignorance]

      I wish DivaDeb were still around. I'm sure I'm missing a lot.

      Please love yourself.

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        Mik
        wrote on 4 Jul 2020, 00:22 last edited by
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        OMG no. See this if you can.

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          Rainman
          wrote on 4 Jul 2020, 00:25 last edited by
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          Mik, is this different than the Broadway production?
          I thought the Broadway musical was biased, they kill Trump, something like that.

          Why do you recommend it? Plot, characters, quality of the songs, etc.?

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          • R Rainman
            4 Jul 2020, 00:25

            Mik, is this different than the Broadway production?
            I thought the Broadway musical was biased, they kill Trump, something like that.

            Why do you recommend it? Plot, characters, quality of the songs, etc.?

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            Mik
            wrote on 4 Jul 2020, 00:27 last edited by
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            @Rainman

            All of the above. It in fact is the original Broadway cast.

            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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            • M Mik
              4 Jul 2020, 00:22

              OMG no. See this if you can.

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              Aqua Letifer
              wrote on 4 Jul 2020, 00:35 last edited by Aqua Letifer 7 Apr 2020, 00:37
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              @Mik said in Hamilton:

              OMG no. See this if you can.

              Hamilton (mostly) gets a pass in my book. I don't like Lin-Manuel Miranda very much, but he's a damn savant and that's undeniable.

              I just mean generally.

              Please love yourself.

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                Mik
                wrote on 4 Jul 2020, 00:38 last edited by
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                The rap battle between Hamilton and Jefferson alone is worth the price of admission. There’s just never been anything that encompassed history and culture like this show.

                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                  jon-nyc
                  wrote on 4 Jul 2020, 00:38 last edited by
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                  I suppose I need to see it one of these years

                  Only non-witches get due process.

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                    LuFins Dad
                    wrote on 4 Jul 2020, 00:58 last edited by
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                    I thought we weren’t allowed to watch actors of one race play characters of another? Especially actual historical figures?

                    The Brad

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                    • L LuFins Dad
                      4 Jul 2020, 00:58

                      I thought we weren’t allowed to watch actors of one race play characters of another? Especially actual historical figures?

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                      George K
                      wrote on 4 Jul 2020, 01:00 last edited by
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                      @LuFins-Dad said in Hamilton:

                      I thought we weren’t allowed to watch actors of one race play characters of another? Especially actual historical figures?

                      Bravo!

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        taiwan_girl
                        wrote on 4 Jul 2020, 02:04 last edited by
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                        I really like musicals. Maybe I was born about 30 or 40 years too late, past the "golden" musical age.

                        In fact, I just received a couple of days ago a recommendation from Amazon to buy a 5 DVD set of the Golden Age of Musicals for only USD$12!!!

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                          4 Jul 2020, 00:58

                          I thought we weren’t allowed to watch actors of one race play characters of another? Especially actual historical figures?

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                          Copper
                          wrote on 4 Jul 2020, 02:19 last edited by
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                          @LuFins-Dad said in Hamilton:

                          I thought we weren’t allowed to watch actors of one race play characters of another? Especially actual historical figures?

                          I believe the skin color has been approved for general audiences

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                            Loki
                            wrote on 4 Jul 2020, 03:25 last edited by
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                            Mik is on point. This musical is different. The next generation is firmly in place. Hamilton is brilliant, although I did find The Book of Mormon more entertaining.

                            Hamilton is a must see.

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                              4 Jul 2020, 03:25

                              Mik is on point. This musical is different. The next generation is firmly in place. Hamilton is brilliant, although I did find The Book of Mormon more entertaining.

                              Hamilton is a must see.

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                              Aqua Letifer
                              wrote on 4 Jul 2020, 03:29 last edited by
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                              @Loki said in Hamilton:

                              Mik is on point. This musical is different. The next generation is firmly in place. Hamilton is brilliant, although I did find The Book of Mormon more entertaining.

                              Hamilton is a must see.

                              Hamilton is a must-see as soon as Sir Gawain becomes a must-read.

                              Please love yourself.

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                                George K
                                wrote on 4 Jul 2020, 11:44 last edited by
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                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  jon-nyc
                                  wrote on 4 Jul 2020, 11:53 last edited by
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                                  Miranda might be our only hope. Instead of destroying all the statues, we might be able to sneak by just by giving them wider noses.

                                  Only non-witches get due process.

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                                    George K
                                    wrote on 4 Jul 2020, 12:03 last edited by
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                                    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/hamilton-is-the-very-model-of-a-modern-fast-paced-musical/

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                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      Mik
                                      wrote on 4 Jul 2020, 13:17 last edited by
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                                      You should see Aida or Turandot. 45 minute intermissions, two apiece.

                                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                        4 Jul 2020, 11:44

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                                        Copper
                                        wrote on 4 Jul 2020, 13:18 last edited by
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                                        @George-K said in Hamilton:

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                                        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamilton_(musical)

                                        Rutgers University professor Lyra Monteiro criticized the show's multi-ethnic casting as obscuring a complete lack of identifiable enslaved or free persons of color as characters in the show.[186] Monteiro identified other commentators, such as Ishmael Reed, who criticized the show for making Hamilton and other historical personages appear more progressive on racial injustice than they really were.[186] According to Reed, "[Hamilton's] reputation has been shored up as an abolitionist and someone who was opposed to slavery," which Reed stated was untrue.

                                        Wokeness in the service of a dead white slave-owner, evil

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                                          Mik
                                          wrote on 4 Jul 2020, 13:23 last edited by
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                                          I'm very happy that Sondheim's (whom I love dearly) Company (which I also love dearly) has a faster song.

                                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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