More classified docs found...
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A lawyer for former Vice President Mike Pence discovered about a dozen documents marked as classified at Pence’s Indiana home last week, and he has turned those classified records over to the FBI, multiple sources familiar with the matter told CNN.
The FBI and the Justice Department’s National Security Division have launched a review of the documents and how they ended up in Pence’s house in Indiana.
The classified documents were discovered at Pence’s new home in Carmel, Indiana, by a lawyer for Pence in the wake of the revelations about classified material discovered in President Joe Biden’s private office and residence, the sources said. The discovery comes after Pence has repeatedly said he did not have any classified documents in his possession.
It is not yet clear what the documents are related to or their level of sensitivity or classification. Pence’s team plans to notify Congress on Tuesday.
Pence asked his lawyer to conduct the search of his home out of an abundance of caution, and the attorney began going through four boxes stored at Pence’s house last week, finding a small number of documents with classified markings, the sources said.
Pence’s lawyer immediately alerted the National Archives, the sources said. In turn, the Archives informed the Justice Department.
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I go back to what I said at the beginning of all this horseshit...It's time to let all this go. Trump, Biden, Pence, Obama...They've all done it, as I'm sure multiple executives have done before.
If it impacts national security, hang them by their thumbs. Otherwise, it's all peanut gallery stuff.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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I go back to what I said at the beginning of all this horseshit...It's time to let all this go. Trump, Biden, Pence, Obama...They've all done it, as I'm sure multiple executives have done before.
If it impacts national security, hang them by their thumbs. Otherwise, it's all peanut gallery stuff.
@Jolly said in More classified docs found...:
I go back to what I said at the beginning of all this horseshit...It's time to let all this go. Trump, Biden, Pence, Obama...They've all done it, as I'm sure multiple executives have done before.
If it impacts national security, hang them by their thumbs. Otherwise, it's all peanut gallery stuff.
I think the very opposite - we seem to have slid into a situation whereby cabinet officials and above are forgiven as long as they cooperate once the docs are discovered and no ill intent is indicated.
Let’s charge and prosecute these two according to the letter of the law, insofar as it’s warranted under the law, and recalibrate what behavior is expected. Let’s also let the national archives do the labor of separating classified from unclassified when presidents pack up and leave, rather than leaving it to whitehouse staff. Or at least let them do it together.
Only non-witches get due process.
- Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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@Jolly said in More classified docs found...:
I go back to what I said at the beginning of all this horseshit...It's time to let all this go. Trump, Biden, Pence, Obama...They've all done it, as I'm sure multiple executives have done before.
If it impacts national security, hang them by their thumbs. Otherwise, it's all peanut gallery stuff.
I think the very opposite - we seem to have slid into a situation whereby cabinet officials and above are forgiven as long as they cooperate once the docs are discovered and no ill intent is indicated.
Let’s charge and prosecute these two according to the letter of the law, insofar as it’s warranted under the law, and recalibrate what behavior is expected. Let’s also let the national archives do the labor of separating classified from unclassified when presidents pack up and leave, rather than leaving it to whitehouse staff. Or at least let them do it together.
@jon-nyc said in More classified docs found...:
as long as they cooperate once the docs are discovered and no ill intent is indicated
Andy McCarthy has a slightly different take on cooperation:
The president, you’re to believe, is being fully cooperative.
The truth of the matter is that, like most criminal suspects as to whom there is already strong evidence of felony offenses, Biden consented to a search knowing that, if he did not, newly appointed special counsel Robert Hur would apply for a judicial warrant from a federal judge. Biden would then have been subject to the same political damage that has dogged former president Donald Trump since the Mar-a-Lago search in August: a judicial finding of probable cause to believe he has committed multiple offenses for which the penal code prescribes prison terms of up to ten years (for each offense).
This would promptly have been followed by a compulsory search in which the FBI ended up seizing even more incriminating evidence, thus making the case for criminal prosecution even stronger. That, in turn, would put have more pressure on the Justice Department to recommend an indictment (assuming, as I do, that the special counsel must follow longstanding DOJ Office of Legal Counsel guidance that forbids the indictment of a sitting president – i.e., the indictment must await the incumbent’s exit from office, consistent with the Constitution, see art. I, §3, cl.7).
The president did not consent to an FBI search of his home because he is unconcerned. He consented to it because he knew law enforcement had more than sufficient evidence to compel a search of his home. From his standpoint, with his 2024 reelection hopes now teetering, it was better to pose as a cooperative volunteer than be forced to open his door to federal agents brandishing a judicial warrant.
ETA: Also intent has nothing to do with the law, despite what former AG Comey told us.
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@Jolly said in More classified docs found...:
I go back to what I said at the beginning of all this horseshit...It's time to let all this go. Trump, Biden, Pence, Obama...They've all done it, as I'm sure multiple executives have done before.
If it impacts national security, hang them by their thumbs. Otherwise, it's all peanut gallery stuff.
I think the very opposite - we seem to have slid into a situation whereby cabinet officials and above are forgiven as long as they cooperate once the docs are discovered and no ill intent is indicated.
Let’s charge and prosecute these two according to the letter of the law, insofar as it’s warranted under the law, and recalibrate what behavior is expected. Let’s also let the national archives do the labor of separating classified from unclassified when presidents pack up and leave, rather than leaving it to whitehouse staff. Or at least let them do it together.
@jon-nyc said in More classified docs found...:
Let’s also let the national archives do the labor of separating classified from unclassified when presidents pack up and leave, rather than leaving it to whitehouse staff. Or at least let them do it together.
This.
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George - did you even read my post? I specifically talk about that as being how the law has been interpreted for sufficiently high status politicians. I’m literally making the point that that’s not what the law is, and that we should return to the letter of the law.
As often, McCarthy is partially right. Intent matters not when it comes to possession, (though knowledge of the possession does, which could save Biden).
On the obstruction charges the fat man is facing, cooperation - or it’s lack - is key.
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George - did you even read my post? I specifically talk about that as being how the law has been interpreted for sufficiently high status politicians. I’m literally making the point that that’s not what the law is, and that we should return to the letter of the law.
As often, McCarthy is partially right. Intent matters not when it comes to possession, (though knowledge of the possession does, which could save Biden).
On the obstruction charges the fat man is facing, cooperation - or it’s lack - is key.
@jon-nyc said in More classified docs found...:
George - did you even read my post? I specifically talk about that as being how the law has been interpreted for sufficiently high status politicians. I’m literally making the point that that’s not what the law is, and that we should return to the letter of the law.
Yes, I did., and though I didn't respond to that point, I wholeheartedly agree. I assume @Jolly does as well. My bad for contrasting the ideas of McCarthy with what you said.
As often, McCarthy is partially right. Intent matters not when it comes to possession, (though knowledge of the possession does, which could save Biden).
On the obstruction charges the fat man is facing, cooperation - or it’s lack - is key.
If by lack of cooperation, you mean obstruction, then, perhaps. That will be interesting.
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@Jolly said in More classified docs found...:
I go back to what I said at the beginning of all this horseshit...It's time to let all this go. Trump, Biden, Pence, Obama...They've all done it, as I'm sure multiple executives have done before.
If it impacts national security, hang them by their thumbs. Otherwise, it's all peanut gallery stuff.
I think the very opposite - we seem to have slid into a situation whereby cabinet officials and above are forgiven as long as they cooperate once the docs are discovered and no ill intent is indicated.
Let’s charge and prosecute these two according to the letter of the law, insofar as it’s warranted under the law, and recalibrate what behavior is expected. Let’s also let the national archives do the labor of separating classified from unclassified when presidents pack up and leave, rather than leaving it to whitehouse staff. Or at least let them do it together.
@jon-nyc said in More classified docs found...:
I think the very opposite - we seem to have slid into a situation whereby cabinet officials and above are forgiven as long as they cooperate once the docs are discovered and no ill intent is indicated.
Let’s charge and prosecute these two according to the letter of the law, insofar as it’s warranted under the law, and recalibrate what behavior is expected. Let’s also let the national archives do the labor of separating classified from unclassified when presidents pack up and leave, rather than leaving it to whitehouse staff. Or at least let them do it together.
+1
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https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/27/politics/mike-pence-classified-documents/index.html
Pence: "Mistakes were made. And I take full responsibility."
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Because Trump.
Good call and I wholly agree. Because Trump, unlike his former VP and the current POTUS, refuses all accountability in the matter.
