Steven Crowder vs Daily Wire
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And...As companies get bigger (Daily Wire), I suppose they aren't as edgy and want to protect that bottom line more...
wrote on 23 Jan 2023, 14:58 last edited by@Jolly said in Steven Crowder vs Daily Wire:
And...As companies get bigger (Daily Wire), I suppose they aren't as edgy and want to protect that bottom line more...
For a counter-culture movement, becoming mainstream is the whole point. Just ask the leftists of the 60s and their generational success.
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wrote on 23 Jan 2023, 15:12 last edited by
Apparently those millions can be earned mostly through selling gold to old people, if the ads on Jordan Peterson's videos are any indication. That is one sort of sad aspect to the economy behind the monetization of conservative messaging.
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wrote on 23 Jan 2023, 15:49 last edited by
I didn't watch the videos... when he started with 30 seconds of nervous confusing talk and said he just needs a few moments, which turned out to be a 28 minute video, followed by an hour video, followed by a 15 minute video...
It seems a bit weird to watch folks bicker over millions of dollars and a pretty reasonable clause that if you lose a platform in which you bring in YUGE revenue, that your fee will be reduced accordingly. Dollars and...sense.
It's also a bit SAD because crowder and daily wire grew pretty organically via youtube and clips on social media.... I know I've enjoyed watching them. But now it seems like... ehh, Horace you summed it up better with your original post.
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Last week, conservative comedian/commentator Steven Crowder started a war with Daily Wire, over a contract offer he received from them. DW is the conservative media company founded by Ben Shapiro, which currently employs some big names such as Jordan Peterson and Matt Walsh. Crowder's complaints, at least as he relates them publicly, are that the contract states that, in return for his 12.5m/year fee, he agrees not to get censored by the platforms that host him. If he does get banned, and DW is unable to monetize him, then his fee is reduced. This is already the world Crowder lives in, where he would make less money if he was kicked off the platforms where 99% of his audience consumes his content. But seeing it written in a contract offer apparently made him see red, and now he's going scorched earth with people who were his friends and allies. He is accusing them of forcing their employees to toe the big tech censorship lines, and of thus being in bed with big tech.
His first volley:
Link to video
Daily Wire's response, in which their CEO explains the contract offer word by word:
Link to video
Crowder's next response, in which he plays a secretly recorded conversation with the DW CEO:
Link to video
I think this situation highlights how sneaky human psychology can be, as it uses righteous indignation to motivate self-interested behavior. I think Crowder's indignation is real, if completely bizarre and incoherent. And he's using it to strike out on his own and attempt to create another media company which will compete with Daily Wire. It's rare to see a well-encapsulated situation, easily understandable, where all the information is public, where it's so obvious that a person's subconscious is just using righteousness to smuggle in a play for personal advantage. And this from a guy who would be among the first to condemn this behavior in others. It's pretty sad.
wrote on 23 Jan 2023, 15:52 last edited by@Horace said in Steven Crowder vs Daily Wire:
12.5m/year fee
Fucking hell.
He gets that just for talking?
Am I missing something here?
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@Horace said in Steven Crowder vs Daily Wire:
12.5m/year fee
Fucking hell.
He gets that just for talking?
Am I missing something here?
wrote on 23 Jan 2023, 15:53 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Steven Crowder vs Daily Wire:
@Horace said in Steven Crowder vs Daily Wire:
12.5m/year fee
Fucking hell.
He gets that just for talking?
Am I missing something here?
Apparently we all miss the massive market opportunity of selling gold to old people, after capturing their attention with conservative antics on youtube.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Steven Crowder vs Daily Wire:
@Horace said in Steven Crowder vs Daily Wire:
12.5m/year fee
Fucking hell.
He gets that just for talking?
Am I missing something here?
Apparently we all miss the massive market opportunity of selling gold to old people, after capturing their attention with conservative antics on youtube.
wrote on 23 Jan 2023, 16:09 last edited by Doctor Phibes@Horace said in Steven Crowder vs Daily Wire:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Steven Crowder vs Daily Wire:
@Horace said in Steven Crowder vs Daily Wire:
12.5m/year fee
Fucking hell.
He gets that just for talking?
Am I missing something here?
Apparently we all miss the massive market opportunity of selling gold to old people, after capturing their attention with conservative antics on youtube.
Once again, I'm left thinking about the Golgafrinchans.
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wrote on 23 Jan 2023, 17:10 last edited by
I'm imagining Crowder's response, should anybody alert him to the underlying self-serving nonsense his subconscious is using to puppeteer him. I bet he would find it totally insufferable that anybody could dare tell him why he thinks and feels as he does.
As the great Jordan Peterson states, we are not experts about ourselves, and our underlying motivations for our thoughts and feels. Far, far from it.
That's probably why people react so strongly when confronted with clear examinations of their own subconscious motivations. Nothing stings like a scary and unutterable truth.
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wrote on 23 Jan 2023, 19:18 last edited by
Babylon responds:
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Babylon responds:
Link to videowrote on 23 Jan 2023, 19:26 last edited by@89th said in Steven Crowder vs Daily Wire:
Babylon responds:
Link to videoSpeaking of scary and unutterable truths.
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wrote on 28 Jan 2023, 02:19 last edited by
Never heard of him. LOL (but I dont think I have hear of the Daily Wire either). But I guess I am not their "demographic"
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wrote on 28 Jan 2023, 06:11 last edited by
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wrote on 28 Jan 2023, 12:36 last edited by
I haven't followed this story much at all.
It just makes me think of a couple of 6-year-olds having a spat on the playground, with each one saying "You started it!"
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I haven't followed this story much at all.
It just makes me think of a couple of 6-year-olds having a spat on the playground, with each one saying "You started it!"
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wrote on 28 Jan 2023, 13:10 last edited by
Thank you for the courtesy of letting me know that your lack of contributions to the thread are due to disinterest, rather than a lack of time, or distractions. I had been wondering.
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wrote on 28 Jan 2023, 13:14 last edited by
I have some passing interest, like when you drive by an active accident scene, but not quite enough to watch first person videos from the principals involved.
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wrote on 28 Jan 2023, 13:16 last edited by
I've watched, perhaps, two of Crowder's shows. The thing that really impressed me, and not in a good way, is that he was in the studio, sitting behind a mic, wearing a shoulder holster.
If there's such a thing as "losing all your credibility in one moment," that was it as far as I was concerned.
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I have some passing interest, like when you drive by an active accident scene, but not quite enough to watch first person videos from the principals involved.
wrote on 28 Jan 2023, 13:21 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Steven Crowder vs Daily Wire:
I have some passing interest, like when you drive by an active accident scene, but not quite enough to watch first person videos from the principals involved.
Thank you again. That will allow me to more accurately track your interest level in this subject. Actually the last video I posted was a synopsis by a psychologist YouTuber I follow. He gives hot takes on all things pop culture.
If you do watch the video, I have a questionnaire for you to fill out regarding your engagement level with it. I would like to set you up with some biometric equipment which measure heart rate, eye blinks, respiration, and posture. This will be invaluable data for me and my team as we continue to study your interest level in various threads.