It’s just Norway but…
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wrote on 5 Jan 2023, 21:38 last edited by jon-nyc 1 May 2023, 21:38
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wrote on 5 Jan 2023, 21:40 last edited by
Well now we know the geolocation search terms EV skeptics are going to use to try to cherry-pick horror stories.
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wrote on 5 Jan 2023, 21:43 last edited by
It probably helps that they tax TF out of gas engines.
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wrote on 5 Jan 2023, 21:49 last edited by
Maybe pent up demand after months/years of lower sales? Maybe an EV infrastructure that is sufficient? Keep in mind Norway has like 170,000 new cars sold per year, compared to USA's 15 million or China's 21 million. So, they are dealing with 1% of the sales volume of the USA.
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wrote on 5 Jan 2023, 21:50 last edited by
It's also a smaller country, so range-loss due to cold is less of an issue?
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wrote on 5 Jan 2023, 21:52 last edited by
@George-K said in It’s just Norway but…:
It's also a smaller country, so range-loss due to cold is less of an issue?
I'd say way more. Their climate and topographical details aren't exactly ideal for EVs. Still, in the cities, decent chance they make sense to use.
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@George-K said in It’s just Norway but…:
It's also a smaller country, so range-loss due to cold is less of an issue?
I'd say way more. Their climate and topographical details aren't exactly ideal for EVs. Still, in the cities, decent chance they make sense to use.
wrote on 5 Jan 2023, 21:57 last edited by@Aqua-Letifer said in It’s just Norway but…:
@George-K said in It’s just Norway but…:
It's also a smaller country, so range-loss due to cold is less of an issue?
I'd say way more. Their climate and topographical details aren't exactly ideal for EVs. Still, in the cities, decent chance they make sense to use.
Good point. A drive from Chicago to Milwaukee and back will eat up most of an EV charge, and we consider that pretty much "in the neighborhood." Can the same be said about Oslo? For that matter, is there anything within 90 miles of Oslo that you'd want to go to other than some fjords?
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@Aqua-Letifer said in It’s just Norway but…:
@George-K said in It’s just Norway but…:
It's also a smaller country, so range-loss due to cold is less of an issue?
I'd say way more. Their climate and topographical details aren't exactly ideal for EVs. Still, in the cities, decent chance they make sense to use.
Good point. A drive from Chicago to Milwaukee and back will eat up most of an EV charge, and we consider that pretty much "in the neighborhood." Can the same be said about Oslo? For that matter, is there anything within 90 miles of Oslo that you'd want to go to other than some fjords?
wrote on 5 Jan 2023, 22:02 last edited by@George-K said in It’s just Norway but…:
@Aqua-Letifer said in It’s just Norway but…:
@George-K said in It’s just Norway but…:
It's also a smaller country, so range-loss due to cold is less of an issue?
I'd say way more. Their climate and topographical details aren't exactly ideal for EVs. Still, in the cities, decent chance they make sense to use.
Good point. A drive from Chicago to Milwaukee and back will eat up most of an EV charge, and we consider that pretty much "in the neighborhood." Can the same be said about Oslo? For that matter, is there anything within 90 miles of Oslo that you'd want to go to other than some fjords?
My guess is that they tend to use trains for a lot of the travel we do by car.
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wrote on 5 Jan 2023, 22:06 last edited by LuFins Dad 1 May 2023, 22:09
Norwegian drivers average 7500 miles per year. US averages over 14,000… Vehicle ownership rate in US is about 850 per 1,000 people, it’s 540 or so in Norway.
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Norwegian drivers average 7500 miles per year. US averages over 14,000… Vehicle ownership rate in US is about 850 per 1,000 people, it’s 540 or so in Norway.
wrote on 5 Jan 2023, 22:10 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in It’s just Norway but…:
Norwegian drivers average 7500 miles per year. US averages over 14,000
This is not a problem, the miles per year will come right down when we go all EV.
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@LuFins-Dad said in It’s just Norway but…:
Norwegian drivers average 7500 miles per year. US averages over 14,000
This is not a problem, the miles per year will come right down when we go all EV.
wrote on 5 Jan 2023, 22:19 last edited by LuFins Dad 1 May 2023, 22:19@Copper said in It’s just Norway but…:
@LuFins-Dad said in It’s just Norway but…:
Norwegian drivers average 7500 miles per year. US averages over 14,000
This is not a problem, the miles per year will come right down when we go all EV.
Karla and I each average over 30K per year…
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wrote on 6 Jan 2023, 00:18 last edited by
Life's different in Europe. People walk to the shops. People walk into town. I didn't own my own car until I was 26.
You'd have to be a freaking masochistic health nut to do that here.
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wrote on 6 Jan 2023, 09:04 last edited by
Gasoline car prices in Norway are taxed at around 200%.
A Tesla is way less expensive than a tiny gasoline car.
I'd buy an EV in Norway, too.
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Gasoline car prices in Norway are taxed at around 200%.
A Tesla is way less expensive than a tiny gasoline car.
I'd buy an EV in Norway, too.
wrote on 6 Jan 2023, 12:24 last edited by@Klaus said in It’s just Norway but…:
Gasoline car prices in Norway are taxed at around 200%.
I remember you saying that taxes were ridiculous in other European countries.
IIRC, Denmark was 25%, is that right?
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wrote on 6 Jan 2023, 12:50 last edited by
How much is car tax in Norway?
Norway has a VAT of 25% on all new cars. This is in addition to the registration fee, which is based on the vehicle’s weight and ranges from 1,200 NOK ($117) to 2,400 NOK ($234). However, both of these expenses are included in the price you pay to the dealer.The annual road tax is also calculated according to a car’s weight and emissions and can cost anything from 200 NOK ($17) to 3,600 NOK ($352).
There is also the special carbon tax, which is levied on all cars that emit more than 120 grams of CO2 per kilometer. The tax ranges from 1,000 NOK ($97) to 2,500 NOK ($244) and is paid annually. That said, the lowest payment for a carbon tax is around 20%.
Additionally, there is the NOX tax, measured according to the amount of Nitrogen oxides your car emits. The average pay for this tax is about 2.02 USD per kilogram of Nitrogen Oxide.
In this regard, a car with a greater engine power will pay more than that with a smaller one. Other smaller taxes you could pay include weight and car scraping taxes.
It’s advisable to pick a car with a low emission level to reduce the tax amount. An electric car is the best car to buy if you want to save up some coins on tax. These cars have nearly zero emissions and are also the cheapest, as you won’t pay for ferry rides or other incentives.
Moreover, you pay less taxes on smaller, lighter vehicles.
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wrote on 6 Jan 2023, 12:51 last edited by
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wrote on 6 Jan 2023, 16:54 last edited by
Sure, with all that oil money they can afford EVs.
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Well now we know the geolocation search terms EV skeptics are going to use to try to cherry-pick horror stories.
wrote on 6 Jan 2023, 17:13 last edited by@Aqua-Letifer said in It’s just Norway but…:
Well now we know the geolocation search terms EV skeptics are going to use to try to cherry-pick horror stories.
Well that didn't take long.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in It’s just Norway but…:
Well now we know the geolocation search terms EV skeptics are going to use to try to cherry-pick horror stories.
Well that didn't take long.
wrote on 7 Jan 2023, 00:16 last edited by@Aqua-Letifer said in It’s just Norway but…:
@Aqua-Letifer said in It’s just Norway but…:
Well now we know the geolocation search terms EV skeptics are going to use to try to cherry-pick horror stories.
Well that didn't take long.
Horror stories? I just saw people comment on the different economic factors that make Norway a difficult model to compare with.