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  • R Rich
    12 Apr 2020, 15:54

    Morning long run:

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    Hoping that some of the fall marathons will actually take place....Now that I’m 40, the qualifying time for Boston have gotten at least somewhat more realistic.

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    Optimistic
    wrote on 12 Apr 2020, 18:11 last edited by
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    @Rich
    That´s awesome, Rich! Great pace.

    Were you registered for any spring races? I have a coworker who was registered for the Tokyo marathon, which of course was cancelled.

    I´m not a marathon person, but I was signed up for a half marathon in May in St. Michael´s, MD--flattest Half on the East Coast 🙂 Registration will defer to next year.

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    • O Optimistic
      12 Apr 2020, 18:11

      @Rich
      That´s awesome, Rich! Great pace.

      Were you registered for any spring races? I have a coworker who was registered for the Tokyo marathon, which of course was cancelled.

      I´m not a marathon person, but I was signed up for a half marathon in May in St. Michael´s, MD--flattest Half on the East Coast 🙂 Registration will defer to next year.

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      Loki
      wrote on 12 Apr 2020, 18:24 last edited by
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      @Optimistic said in The workout thread:

      @Rich
      That´s awesome, Rich! Great pace.

      Were you registered for any spring races? I have a coworker who was registered for the Tokyo marathon, which of course was cancelled.

      I´m not a marathon person, but I was signed up for a half marathon in May in St. Michael´s, MD--flattest Half on the East Coast 🙂 Registration will defer to next year.

      Yeah a 7:24 pace for a casual long run is killer. Anybody doing that could qualify for Boston with a good training program.

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      • A Aqua Letifer
        11 Apr 2020, 23:24

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        The purple line is where I started at a month ago. This is FitBit's "cardio fitness score," not heart rate.

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        jon-nyc
        wrote on 12 Apr 2020, 19:04 last edited by
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        @Aqua-Letifer said in The workout thread:

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        The purple line is where I started at a month ago. This is FitBit's "cardio fitness score," not heart rate.

        Mine says ‘very good to excellent’ but basically the same numerical range as yours. I guess it’s age related.

        "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
        -Cormac McCarthy

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          Aqua Letifer
          wrote on 12 Apr 2020, 19:08 last edited by
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          Part of it is, yeah.

          Please love yourself.

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          • J jon-nyc
            12 Apr 2020, 19:04

            @Aqua-Letifer said in The workout thread:

            63D9640A-37F0-4FF0-951E-52BFF20457C8.jpeg

            The purple line is where I started at a month ago. This is FitBit's "cardio fitness score," not heart rate.

            Mine says ‘very good to excellent’ but basically the same numerical range as yours. I guess it’s age related.

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            Loki
            wrote on 12 Apr 2020, 20:01 last edited by
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            @jon-nyc said in The workout thread:

            @Aqua-Letifer said in The workout thread:

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            The purple line is where I started at a month ago. This is FitBit's "cardio fitness score," not heart rate.

            Mine says ‘very good to excellent’ but basically the same numerical range as yours. I guess it’s age related.

            That is VO2max. There are charts by age you can google. Mine says it puts me at the age of a 20 year old. Really low resting heart rate too. I had a vascular study of my carotid, heart and leg veins via ultrasound after a friend in shape died of a stroke in his sleep. Probably worth it as you age.

            VO2 max is considered the best measurement of aerobic fitness.

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              jon-nyc
              wrote on 12 Apr 2020, 20:26 last edited by
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              How do they estimate it without measuring O2?

              "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
              -Cormac McCarthy

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              • O Optimistic
                12 Apr 2020, 18:11

                @Rich
                That´s awesome, Rich! Great pace.

                Were you registered for any spring races? I have a coworker who was registered for the Tokyo marathon, which of course was cancelled.

                I´m not a marathon person, but I was signed up for a half marathon in May in St. Michael´s, MD--flattest Half on the East Coast 🙂 Registration will defer to next year.

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                Rich
                wrote on 13 Apr 2020, 09:49 last edited by
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                @Optimistic said in The workout thread:

                @Rich
                That´s awesome, Rich! Great pace.

                Were you registered for any spring races? I have a coworker who was registered for the Tokyo marathon, which of course was cancelled.

                I´m not a marathon person, but I was signed up for a half marathon in May in St. Michael´s, MD--flattest Half on the East Coast 🙂 Registration will defer to next year.

                I had a couple 5k's on my mind, but was really only committed to pacing the 2hour group again at a local half. After that, the plan plan was get ready for a 20K in August, and use that to base marathon training off of. (something mid-October)

                I'm sure your friend was disappointed about Tokyo. From what I understand, they're allowing people who were registered, to register (and pay) again next year, without having to go through the lottery process. They ran the race--but only for elites.

                So if the half in St Michael's is allowing you to simply defer--you're fortunate!

                Cool to see you're still running. Around here, the rail-trails have gotten so crowded, and the streets so quiet, I've switched to almost entirely roads.

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                  12 Apr 2020, 18:24

                  @Optimistic said in The workout thread:

                  @Rich
                  That´s awesome, Rich! Great pace.

                  Were you registered for any spring races? I have a coworker who was registered for the Tokyo marathon, which of course was cancelled.

                  I´m not a marathon person, but I was signed up for a half marathon in May in St. Michael´s, MD--flattest Half on the East Coast 🙂 Registration will defer to next year.

                  Yeah a 7:24 pace for a casual long run is killer. Anybody doing that could qualify for Boston with a good training program.

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                  Rich
                  wrote on 13 Apr 2020, 10:04 last edited by
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                  @Loki said in The workout thread:

                  @Optimistic said in The workout thread:

                  @Rich
                  That´s awesome, Rich! Great pace.

                  Were you registered for any spring races? I have a coworker who was registered for the Tokyo marathon, which of course was cancelled.

                  I´m not a marathon person, but I was signed up for a half marathon in May in St. Michael´s, MD--flattest Half on the East Coast 🙂 Registration will defer to next year.

                  Yeah a 7:24 pace for a casual long run is killer. Anybody doing that could qualify for Boston with a good training program.

                  Truthfully, I definitely run my long runs harder than I need to....and though it feels comfortable, probably harder than I should.

                  If you have a source for good training plans--I'm all ears!

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                    Klaus
                    wrote on 13 Apr 2020, 10:08 last edited by Klaus
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                    @Rich that is a fantastic time for such a long run. I wish I could do that. If I'd run with that tempo, the run would be over for me after a single mile. Running a half-marathon is low-key on my agenda, but I wouldn't even dream of something faster than 2h. I'm surprised, though, that you burned only 1349 Cal. You must have a rather low body weight.

                    I sent you a follow request on Strava.

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                    • R Rich
                      13 Apr 2020, 09:49

                      @Optimistic said in The workout thread:

                      @Rich
                      That´s awesome, Rich! Great pace.

                      Were you registered for any spring races? I have a coworker who was registered for the Tokyo marathon, which of course was cancelled.

                      I´m not a marathon person, but I was signed up for a half marathon in May in St. Michael´s, MD--flattest Half on the East Coast 🙂 Registration will defer to next year.

                      I had a couple 5k's on my mind, but was really only committed to pacing the 2hour group again at a local half. After that, the plan plan was get ready for a 20K in August, and use that to base marathon training off of. (something mid-October)

                      I'm sure your friend was disappointed about Tokyo. From what I understand, they're allowing people who were registered, to register (and pay) again next year, without having to go through the lottery process. They ran the race--but only for elites.

                      So if the half in St Michael's is allowing you to simply defer--you're fortunate!

                      Cool to see you're still running. Around here, the rail-trails have gotten so crowded, and the streets so quiet, I've switched to almost entirely roads.

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                      Optimistic
                      wrote on 13 Apr 2020, 12:49 last edited by
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                      @Rich
                      Yes, I was a little surprised the defer option was offered--and very thankful! They are also offering the option to run the race virtually and send you all the swag you would have gotten this year, but I wasn´t really feeling that option.

                      I bet switching to roads has helped you with your faster pace. I love the trail running, but it definitely encourages a much more leisurely pace as you jump over roots and and logs and such.

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                        Aqua Letifer
                        wrote on 13 Apr 2020, 23:26 last edited by
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                        So I have 3 pulse/Ox devices at home; 1 for me, 1 I'm mailing to my folks, 1 as a bonus they mailed me by mistake. I used all 3 to compare against the FitBit. Turns out the latter under-reports somewhat, especially with higher numbers; it was off by about 10bpm when I was closer to a maximum. The 3 pulse/Ox devices were all consistent. So looks like I'm at about 170 instead of 165.

                        Either way I don't much care. The actual numbers don't matter to me. I'm just trying to get them to increase.

                        Please love yourself.

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                          MainerMikeBrown
                          wrote on 16 Apr 2020, 00:39 last edited by
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                          I haven't taken part in any sports in years, to be honest.

                          I used to play baseball back in high school during the 1990's. I was terrible at it.

                          I don't have any talent for football and basketball either.

                          And my tennis and bowling skills are nothing special at best.

                          lol

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                            Klaus
                            wrote on 16 Apr 2020, 08:40 last edited by
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                            That looks pretty sweet, @Aqua-Letifer .

                            I bought a power meter today.

                            Massive amount of useless graphs about mediocre cycling upcoming!

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                            • K Klaus
                              16 Apr 2020, 08:40

                              That looks pretty sweet, @Aqua-Letifer .

                              I bought a power meter today.

                              Massive amount of useless graphs about mediocre cycling upcoming!

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                              mark
                              wrote on 16 Apr 2020, 11:10 last edited by
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                              @Klaus which power meter? Link?

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                                Klaus
                                wrote on 16 Apr 2020, 11:40 last edited by Klaus
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                                @mark : 4iiii Precision Power Meter.
                                https://shop.4iiii.com/collections/power-meters/products/precision-factory-install

                                There was an offer to grab one for 250 Euro. I couldn't resist anymore.

                                It's a 105 crank. I have an Ultegra groupset, but the Ultegra one would have been 100 Euros more and the only difference is 3 grams of weight or something.

                                Can't wait to try it. I love data.

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                                  mark
                                  wrote on 16 Apr 2020, 11:55 last edited by
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                                  3 grams? We used to kill to save that much much weight. lol

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                                  • M mark
                                    16 Apr 2020, 11:55

                                    3 grams? We used to kill to save that much much weight. lol

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                                    Klaus
                                    wrote on 16 Apr 2020, 13:42 last edited by
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                                    @mark I don't care all that much about weight or "aero". I care about primarily about fitness gains and only secondarily about speed gains paid with money 🙂

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                                      Klaus
                                      wrote on 16 Apr 2020, 13:43 last edited by
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                                      First test. My FTP seems to be in the "sucks" to "looser" range. I'll have to test more thoroughly. And then on to structured training rides.

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                                        Aqua Letifer
                                        wrote on 16 Apr 2020, 15:12 last edited by
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                                        Nice, Klaus! Do you always ride the same route, or do you tend to tool around?

                                        I'm learning more about jump-rope shit. Different routines work different muscles, which only interests me insofar as I can cycle through them without stopping. I can already go about six times longer than I could a month ago, but it's my legs holding me back now. Learning how to fix that.

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                                        Please love yourself.

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                                        • A Aqua Letifer
                                          16 Apr 2020, 15:12

                                          Nice, Klaus! Do you always ride the same route, or do you tend to tool around?

                                          I'm learning more about jump-rope shit. Different routines work different muscles, which only interests me insofar as I can cycle through them without stopping. I can already go about six times longer than I could a month ago, but it's my legs holding me back now. Learning how to fix that.

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                                          Klaus
                                          wrote on 16 Apr 2020, 15:16 last edited by
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                                          @Aqua-Letifer said in The workout thread:

                                          Do you always ride the same route, or do you tend to tool around?

                                          I have a kind of "default" route that takes about 75min. The nice thing about driving the same route often is that you have a benchmark to compare with. (That said, with a powermeter it should be easier to compare efforts across different routes).

                                          But when I have more time, I often pick new and longer routes. I often pick routes from Komoot. If it weren't for Corona, I'd also ride with a couple of other guys every few weeks.

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