Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field
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wrote on 3 Jan 2023, 16:27 last edited by
The NFL's decision here will also be setting a precedent. Either the Bengals win because they had the lead at the time a game was basically ended, or I could see them awarding a tie to each team. Hard to see them shifting the entire NFL schedule around to fit in this game. The logistics are incredibly complex.
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@Copper said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:
At this point I assume they are working through playoff scenarios with or without a result in this game.
And how to deal with ticket holders
And the bookies are scratching their heads.
There won't be any more football tonight
On Twitter they would slam you for that post.
wrote on 3 Jan 2023, 16:34 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:
@Copper said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:
At this point I assume they are working through playoff scenarios with or without a result in this game.
And how to deal with ticket holders
And the bookies are scratching their heads.
There won't be any more football tonight
On Twitter they would slam you for that post.
Yes, I understand.
The 3 ESPN people just after the event were trying so hard to make sure they said exactly the right thing. If they even mentioned anything that was related to playing football they would have been slaughtered.
They kept repeating, all that matters now is the health of the injured player. At that point they couldn't even mention other teams playing football. They were being so careful.
Lucky for me I was posting in TNCR, not live on ESPN. Now I can resume my life without much damage.
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@LuFins-Dad said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:
@Copper said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:
At this point I assume they are working through playoff scenarios with or without a result in this game.
And how to deal with ticket holders
And the bookies are scratching their heads.
There won't be any more football tonight
On Twitter they would slam you for that post.
Yes, I understand.
The 3 ESPN people just after the event were trying so hard to make sure they said exactly the right thing. If they even mentioned anything that was related to playing football they would have been slaughtered.
They kept repeating, all that matters now is the health of the injured player. At that point they couldn't even mention other teams playing football. They were being so careful.
Lucky for me I was posting in TNCR, not live on ESPN. Now I can resume my life without much damage.
wrote on 3 Jan 2023, 16:39 last edited by@Copper said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:
The 3 ESPN people just after the event were trying so hard to make sure they said exactly the right thing. If they even mentioned anything that was related to playing football they would have been slaughtered.
I saw that. It's funny (and sad) how careful people have to be on TV these days.
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The NFL's decision here will also be setting a precedent. Either the Bengals win because they had the lead at the time a game was basically ended, or I could see them awarding a tie to each team. Hard to see them shifting the entire NFL schedule around to fit in this game. The logistics are incredibly complex.
wrote on 3 Jan 2023, 16:42 last edited by@89th said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:
The NFL's decision here will also be setting a precedent. Either the Bengals win because they had the lead at the time a game was basically ended, or I could see them awarding a tie to each team. Hard to see them shifting the entire NFL schedule around to fit in this game. The logistics are incredibly
complexinsane.FIFY
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@LuFins-Dad said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:
@Copper said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:
At this point I assume they are working through playoff scenarios with or without a result in this game.
And how to deal with ticket holders
And the bookies are scratching their heads.
There won't be any more football tonight
On Twitter they would slam you for that post.
Yes, I understand.
The 3 ESPN people just after the event were trying so hard to make sure they said exactly the right thing. If they even mentioned anything that was related to playing football they would have been slaughtered.
They kept repeating, all that matters now is the health of the injured player. At that point they couldn't even mention other teams playing football. They were being so careful.
Lucky for me I was posting in TNCR, not live on ESPN. Now I can resume my life without much damage.
wrote on 3 Jan 2023, 16:43 last edited by Mik 1 Mar 2023, 16:45@Copper said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:
@LuFins-Dad said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:
@Copper said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:
At this point I assume they are working through playoff scenarios with or without a result in this game.
And how to deal with ticket holders
And the bookies are scratching their heads.
There won't be any more football tonight
On Twitter they would slam you for that post.
Yes, I understand.
The 3 ESPN people just after the event were trying so hard to make sure they said exactly the right thing. If they even mentioned anything that was related to playing football they would have been slaughtered.
They kept repeating, all that matters now is the health of the injured player. At that point they couldn't even mention other teams playing football. They were being so careful.
Lucky for me I was posting in TNCR, not live on ESPN. Now I can resume my life without much damage.
Football still matters. It only ceased to matter for that particular game that night until Hamlin was in the care of UC Med Center, but I can see that the teams should not be expected to resume play. What can be done is being done medically, and it's now a waiting game and deciding how to move forward.
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wrote on 3 Jan 2023, 17:09 last edited by
From a physician on CBS:
"We are going to know a lot over the next 12 to 24 hours as they start to turn down the machine that's breathing for him, the ventilator, to see if he can breathe on his own, and our hopes and prayers are that he can," Agus said.
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wrote on 3 Jan 2023, 17:15 last edited by
Here's a brand NEW controversy! Fans are accusing the league of lying.
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@Copper said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:
@LuFins-Dad said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:
@Copper said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:
At this point I assume they are working through playoff scenarios with or without a result in this game.
And how to deal with ticket holders
And the bookies are scratching their heads.
There won't be any more football tonight
On Twitter they would slam you for that post.
Yes, I understand.
The 3 ESPN people just after the event were trying so hard to make sure they said exactly the right thing. If they even mentioned anything that was related to playing football they would have been slaughtered.
They kept repeating, all that matters now is the health of the injured player. At that point they couldn't even mention other teams playing football. They were being so careful.
Lucky for me I was posting in TNCR, not live on ESPN. Now I can resume my life without much damage.
Football still matters. It only ceased to matter for that particular game that night until Hamlin was in the care of UC Med Center, but I can see that the teams should not be expected to resume play. What can be done is being done medically, and it's now a waiting game and deciding how to move forward.
wrote on 3 Jan 2023, 17:38 last edited by@Mik said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:
but I can see that the teams should not be expected to resume play.
Not to mention the stress on the players, how difficult it would be to expect them to play damn football.
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@Mik said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:
but I can see that the teams should not be expected to resume play.
Not to mention the stress on the players, how difficult it would be to expect them to play damn football.
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wrote on 3 Jan 2023, 18:05 last edited by
As @Doctor-Phibes noted, deaths have occurred at F1 races and the race continued. Many NASCAR drivers have been rushed to the hospital in critical condition and the races continued. There have been dozens of heart attacks at professional soccer/football matches over the last few decades and the games have continued. On that very field a few years ago, Ryan Shazier was paralyzed a few years back. The game continued. Fans have fallen from the stands to their death and vendors have keeled over dead. The games weren’t even paused.
So why was last night different? I’m not saying it was right or wrong, just noting the attitude shift…
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As @Doctor-Phibes noted, deaths have occurred at F1 races and the race continued. Many NASCAR drivers have been rushed to the hospital in critical condition and the races continued. There have been dozens of heart attacks at professional soccer/football matches over the last few decades and the games have continued. On that very field a few years ago, Ryan Shazier was paralyzed a few years back. The game continued. Fans have fallen from the stands to their death and vendors have keeled over dead. The games weren’t even paused.
So why was last night different? I’m not saying it was right or wrong, just noting the attitude shift…
wrote on 3 Jan 2023, 18:09 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:
As @Doctor-Phibes noted, deaths have occurred at F1 races and the race continued. Many NASCAR drivers have been rushed to the hospital in critical condition and the races continued. There have been dozens of heart attacks at professional soccer/football matches over the last few decades and the games have continued. On that very field a few years ago, Ryan Shazier was paralyzed a few years back. The game continued. Fans have fallen from the stands to their death and vendors have keeled over dead. The games weren’t even paused.
So why was last night different? I’m not saying it was right or wrong, just noting the attitude shift…
Prime time game, focus, social media, cancel culture, facile righteous outrage, there's your stew of causation IMO.
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wrote on 3 Jan 2023, 18:13 last edited by Mik 1 Mar 2023, 18:13
Why was last night different? Because he essentially died on the field. His teammates saw them doing CPR and administering the defib. Shazier was conscious and clearly alive. There's a difference in emotional impact, and football is an emotional game.
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wrote on 3 Jan 2023, 18:15 last edited by
Statement from Mike Brown.
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wrote on 3 Jan 2023, 18:47 last edited by
Bengals lit their stadium up in blue and white.
Class act
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Why was last night different? Because he essentially died on the field. His teammates saw them doing CPR and administering the defib. Shazier was conscious and clearly alive. There's a difference in emotional impact, and football is an emotional game.
wrote on 3 Jan 2023, 18:47 last edited by Doctor Phibes 1 Mar 2023, 18:47@Mik said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:
Why was last night different? Because he essentially died on the field. His teammates saw them doing CPR and administering the defib. Shazier was conscious and clearly alive. There's a difference in emotional impact, and football is an emotional game.
I actually agree with stopping the game, however if you watch, for example, the 1994 San Marino Grand Prix it's hard to describe that as less impactful from an emotional perspective. And this was a race where a driver had already died during the qualifying session.
Possibly, the question shouldn't be why was the game stopped, but why on earth wasn't the Grand Prix cancelled. Maybe it would be today, but to be honest I doubt it.
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wrote on 3 Jan 2023, 18:47 last edited by
Because of seeding implications, LuFin may have the right idea.
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@Mik said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:
Why was last night different? Because he essentially died on the field. His teammates saw them doing CPR and administering the defib. Shazier was conscious and clearly alive. There's a difference in emotional impact, and football is an emotional game.
I actually agree with stopping the game, however if you watch, for example, the 1994 San Marino Grand Prix it's hard to describe that as less impactful from an emotional perspective. And this was a race where a driver had already died during the qualifying session.
Possibly, the question shouldn't be why was the game stopped, but why on earth wasn't the Grand Prix cancelled. Maybe it would be today, but to be honest I doubt it.
wrote on 3 Jan 2023, 18:53 last edited by Mik 1 Mar 2023, 18:53@Doctor-Phibes said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:
@Mik said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:
Why was last night different? Because he essentially died on the field. His teammates saw them doing CPR and administering the defib. Shazier was conscious and clearly alive. There's a difference in emotional impact, and football is an emotional game.
I actually agree with stopping the game, however if you watch, for example, the 1994 San Marino Grand Prix it's hard to describe that as less impactful from an emotional perspective. And this was a race where a driver had already died during the qualifying session.
Possibly, the question shouldn't be why was the game stopped, but why on earth wasn't the Grand Prix cancelled. Maybe it would be today, but to be honest I doubt it.
Racing is a sport in which fatalities are far more common. It can be expected that each season will have one or more. This is not the case with football. Also the drivers are all on different teams.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:
@Mik said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:
Why was last night different? Because he essentially died on the field. His teammates saw them doing CPR and administering the defib. Shazier was conscious and clearly alive. There's a difference in emotional impact, and football is an emotional game.
I actually agree with stopping the game, however if you watch, for example, the 1994 San Marino Grand Prix it's hard to describe that as less impactful from an emotional perspective. And this was a race where a driver had already died during the qualifying session.
Possibly, the question shouldn't be why was the game stopped, but why on earth wasn't the Grand Prix cancelled. Maybe it would be today, but to be honest I doubt it.
Racing is a sport in which fatalities are far more common. It can be expected that each season will have one or more. This is not the case with football. Also the drivers are all on different teams.
wrote on 3 Jan 2023, 18:58 last edited by@Mik said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:
@Mik said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:
Why was last night different? Because he essentially died on the field. His teammates saw them doing CPR and administering the defib. Shazier was conscious and clearly alive. There's a difference in emotional impact, and football is an emotional game.
I actually agree with stopping the game, however if you watch, for example, the 1994 San Marino Grand Prix it's hard to describe that as less impactful from an emotional perspective. And this was a race where a driver had already died during the qualifying session.
Possibly, the question shouldn't be why was the game stopped, but why on earth wasn't the Grand Prix cancelled. Maybe it would be today, but to be honest I doubt it.
Racing is a sport in which fatalities are far more common. It can be expected that each season will have one or more. This is not the case with football. Also the drivers are all on different teams.
No, that's not really true anymore. Ratzenberger and Senna were the first Formula 1 deaths in over a decade. Since then there has only been one additional driver death. Perhaps motor racing as a whole is more dangerous, but even so, having sat through a couple of televised deaths, and experiencing the awful sick feeling that accompanies them, I don't really think there's that much of a difference.
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wrote on 3 Jan 2023, 19:04 last edited by
George, do you think they have Hamlin on ECMO?
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wrote on 3 Jan 2023, 19:10 last edited by
This incident reminds me of:
- Christian Eriksen, soccer (sorry, football @Doctor-Phibes) player who collapsed on the field with a heart attack. The game was rescheduled for that night, and he recovered. Happened in 2021
- John McSherry, 1996 umpire who died on the field. "He was the heaviest MLB umpire at 328 pounds, had been having problems with his heart. But the umpire, who began umpiring in the National League in 1971, doesn't want to miss opening day, and so he postponed an exam by a doctor until tomorrow, an off day. 7 pitches into the Reds-Expos game at Cincinnati's Riverfront Stadium, McSherry backs away from home plate, waves to the other umpires, takes a few labored steps away from the field and collapses. Efforts to revive him fail and 53 minutes later, he is pronounced dead at a Cincinnati hospital. At the request of players on both teams, the game is postponed until tomorrow. "There are things way more important than baseball," Expos outfielder Rondell White says. Reds owner Marge Schott disagrees with the decision to postpone. “Why are they calling it?" she says. "Whose decision is it? Why can't they play with two umpires? I feel terrible. This is tragic for him and his family, but you don't do this to the fans. It's not fair to those who came from so far away. He's a baseball man. Wouldn't he want us to play?" McSherry died at age 51 of a heart attack. The death of the respected veteran arbitrator, prompts Major League Baseball to compel its umpires to be more physically fit."