The digital tip jar
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@Doctor-Phibes said in The digital tip jar:
@Aqua-Letifer said in The digital tip jar:
@Doctor-Phibes said in The digital tip jar:
It would be a lot easier if people just got paid decently, and we didn't have to worry about this shit.
It's a crap system for being in line at a coffee shop, but it's better for both them and you if you're being waited on in any way.
When we moved house, I was informed that we were supposed to tip the movers. I'd suggested $20, but was laughed at mercilessly.
If you're expected to tip somebody $200 to do the job you're already paying them for, it needs to be made clear. Or better still, include it in the charge.
Dude, there's absolutely no telling how moving companies pay their employees. Some of them get paid a set amount per job, some of them get paid a percentage per job, still others just get an hourly.
But it's all shite pay, really. And expecting a moving company to pay an awesome wage is a little ridiculous. So the tips are under-the-table income.
Granted, moving isn't a great example of how tips make things better. Really it's best for when you have a good chance of seeing the person again as a return customer and the quality of the service can be highly variable.
wrote on 18 Dec 2022, 05:08 last edited by Doctor Phibes@Aqua-Letifer said in The digital tip jar:
ut it's all shite pay, really. And expecting a moving company to pay an awesome wage is a little ridiculous. So the tips are under-the-table income.
When Americans travel to parts of Asia, and discover they need to bribe everybody to get anything done, they often turn their noses up at the rampant corruption.
This is essentially what you're doing here, too. Except government employees and the police don't take "tips" in the US, at least officially.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in The digital tip jar:
ut it's all shite pay, really. And expecting a moving company to pay an awesome wage is a little ridiculous. So the tips are under-the-table income.
When Americans travel to parts of Asia, and discover they need to bribe everybody to get anything done, they often turn their noses up at the rampant corruption.
This is essentially what you're doing here, too. Except government employees and the police don't take "tips" in the US, at least officially.
wrote on 18 Dec 2022, 05:10 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in The digital tip jar:
@Aqua-Letifer said in The digital tip jar:
ut it's all shite pay, really. And expecting a moving company to pay an awesome wage is a little ridiculous. So the tips are under-the-table income.
When Americans travel to parts of Asia, and discover they need to bribe everybody to get anything done, they often turn their noses up at the rampant corruption.
This is essentially what you're doing here, too. Except government employees and the police don't take tips in the US.
And you still get your stuff delivered, even if you're a bit of a tightwad.
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wrote on 20 Dec 2022, 01:53 last edited by
I know we have discussed this a few times, but I just see why there are tips. Other countries do with out them - just pay the people a wage that would include tip money.
I do not believe that tipping makes the service better.
And in reality, almost every worker is in the service industry.
Maybe @George-K @Jolly @bachophile should have a tip jar as you enter the surgery room. They are all providing a service.
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I know we have discussed this a few times, but I just see why there are tips. Other countries do with out them - just pay the people a wage that would include tip money.
I do not believe that tipping makes the service better.
And in reality, almost every worker is in the service industry.
Maybe @George-K @Jolly @bachophile should have a tip jar as you enter the surgery room. They are all providing a service.
wrote on 20 Dec 2022, 02:46 last edited by@taiwan_girl said in The digital tip jar:
I do not believe that tipping makes the service better.
Because you've never been a waitress in the U.S. So you don't know.
Say you are and you have 2 tables. Table A you've had before. They never tip well. Absolutely never. No matter what you do for them. Table B tips variably between good and excellently, depending on the service.
If you're in any way a decent waitress, what you're going to do is provide bare minimum coverage for Table A and put all your effort in Table B. Table A still gets their food, no one's getting scammed. But both parties get exactly what they pay for. And in the end, you make a shitload more money for an hour's worth if work. You win, Table B wins, and Table A doesn't have to pay extra for services it clearly doesn't value.
If you "just pay the poor servers the same decent wage" then everybody gets the same mediocre service. You don't go above and beyond for great customers, you have to put up with assholes, and there's no incentive to go the extra mile with anyone.
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wrote on 20 Dec 2022, 02:52 last edited by
Also, just curious:
For those who don't believe in tipping all that much for restaurants, do you even know what good service is? What's the best you've ever been waited on? Bet I could top you.
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@taiwan_girl said in The digital tip jar:
I do not believe that tipping makes the service better.
Because you've never been a waitress in the U.S. So you don't know.
Say you are and you have 2 tables. Table A you've had before. They never tip well. Absolutely never. No matter what you do for them. Table B tips variably between good and excellently, depending on the service.
If you're in any way a decent waitress, what you're going to do is provide bare minimum coverage for Table A and put all your effort in Table B. Table A still gets their food, no one's getting scammed. But both parties get exactly what they pay for. And in the end, you make a shitload more money for an hour's worth if work. You win, Table B wins, and Table A doesn't have to pay extra for services it clearly doesn't value.
If you "just pay the poor servers the same decent wage" then everybody gets the same mediocre service. You don't go above and beyond for great customers, you have to put up with assholes, and there's no incentive to go the extra mile with anyone.
wrote on 20 Dec 2022, 04:07 last edited by@Aqua-Letifer said in The digital tip jar:
@taiwan_girl said in The digital tip jar:
I do not believe that tipping makes the service better.
Because you've never been a waitress in the U.S. So you don't know.
Most likely she has dined in US restaurants (where tipping is the norm) and in other restaurants (where tipping is not the norm). That should be sufficient for her to opine on whether tipping correlates to the quality of service, no?
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@Aqua-Letifer said in The digital tip jar:
@taiwan_girl said in The digital tip jar:
I do not believe that tipping makes the service better.
Because you've never been a waitress in the U.S. So you don't know.
Most likely she has dined in US restaurants (where tipping is the norm) and in other restaurants (where tipping is not the norm). That should be sufficient for her to opine on whether tipping correlates to the quality of service, no?
wrote on 20 Dec 2022, 04:12 last edited by@Axtremus said in The digital tip jar:
@Aqua-Letifer said in The digital tip jar:
@taiwan_girl said in The digital tip jar:
I do not believe that tipping makes the service better.
Because you've never been a waitress in the U.S. So you don't know.
Most likely she has dined in US restaurants (where tipping is the norm) and in other restaurants (where tipping is not the norm). That should be sufficient for her to opine on whether tipping correlates to the quality of service, no?
The value of tipping lies in skills relating to social interaction and being receptive to the desires of others, so if there's anyone least qualified to discuss this matter, it's definitely you.
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@Axtremus said in The digital tip jar:
@Aqua-Letifer said in The digital tip jar:
@taiwan_girl said in The digital tip jar:
I do not believe that tipping makes the service better.
Because you've never been a waitress in the U.S. So you don't know.
Most likely she has dined in US restaurants (where tipping is the norm) and in other restaurants (where tipping is not the norm). That should be sufficient for her to opine on whether tipping correlates to the quality of service, no?
The value of tipping lies in skills relating to social interaction and being receptive to the desires of others, so if there's anyone least qualified to discuss this matter, it's definitely you.
wrote on 20 Dec 2022, 04:30 last edited by@Aqua-Letifer said in The digital tip jar:
@Axtremus said in The digital tip jar:
@Aqua-Letifer said in The digital tip jar:
@taiwan_girl said in The digital tip jar:
I do not believe that tipping makes the service better.
Because you've never been a waitress in the U.S. So you don't know.
Most likely she has dined in US restaurants (where tipping is the norm) and in other restaurants (where tipping is not the norm). That should be sufficient for her to opine on whether tipping correlates to the quality of service, no?
The value of tipping lies in skills relating to social interaction and being receptive to the desires of others, ...
If the others' desires are to not have to deal with tipping at all, what then?
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@Aqua-Letifer said in The digital tip jar:
@Axtremus said in The digital tip jar:
@Aqua-Letifer said in The digital tip jar:
@taiwan_girl said in The digital tip jar:
I do not believe that tipping makes the service better.
Because you've never been a waitress in the U.S. So you don't know.
Most likely she has dined in US restaurants (where tipping is the norm) and in other restaurants (where tipping is not the norm). That should be sufficient for her to opine on whether tipping correlates to the quality of service, no?
The value of tipping lies in skills relating to social interaction and being receptive to the desires of others, ...
If the others' desires are to not have to deal with tipping at all, what then?
wrote on 20 Dec 2022, 04:47 last edited by@Axtremus said in The digital tip jar:
@Aqua-Letifer said in The digital tip jar:
@Axtremus said in The digital tip jar:
@Aqua-Letifer said in The digital tip jar:
@taiwan_girl said in The digital tip jar:
I do not believe that tipping makes the service better.
Because you've never been a waitress in the U.S. So you don't know.
Most likely she has dined in US restaurants (where tipping is the norm) and in other restaurants (where tipping is not the norm). That should be sufficient for her to opine on whether tipping correlates to the quality of service, no?
The value of tipping lies in skills relating to social interaction and being receptive to the desires of others, ...
If the others' desires are to not have to deal with tipping at all, what then?
If you don't like tipping Ax, there's nothing preventing you from starting your own restaurant and forming your own tipping rules.
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@George-K said in The digital tip jar:
If you aren't sure what to do, ask the worker if the store has a suggested tip amount.
If there was little or no service, I suggest zero.
Getting an ice cream cone at the ice cream shop is not a place for a tip.
Our local ice cream shop does show us the spin-around screen tip option, I hit the skip button.
wrote on 20 Dec 2022, 13:45 last edited by@Copper said in The digital tip jar:
@George-K said in The digital tip jar:
If you aren't sure what to do, ask the worker if the store has a suggested tip amount.
If there was little or no service, I suggest zero.
Getting an ice cream cone at the ice cream shop is not a place for a tip.
Our local ice cream shop does show us the spin-around screen tip option, I hit the skip button.
I'm with you.
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Also, just curious:
For those who don't believe in tipping all that much for restaurants, do you even know what good service is? What's the best you've ever been waited on? Bet I could top you.
wrote on 20 Dec 2022, 13:47 last edited by@Aqua-Letifer said in The digital tip jar:
Also, just curious:
For those who don't believe in tipping all that much for restaurants, do you even know what good service is? What's the best you've ever been waited on? Bet I could top you.
I once got a blowjob between the soup and the main course.
He was surprisingly good at it for such a burly man.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in The digital tip jar:
Also, just curious:
For those who don't believe in tipping all that much for restaurants, do you even know what good service is? What's the best you've ever been waited on? Bet I could top you.
I once got a blowjob between the soup and the main course.
He was surprisingly good at it for such a burly man.
wrote on 20 Dec 2022, 13:50 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in The digital tip jar:
@Aqua-Letifer said in The digital tip jar:
Also, just curious:
For those who don't believe in tipping all that much for restaurants, do you even know what good service is? What's the best you've ever been waited on? Bet I could top you.
I once got a blowjob between the soup and the main course.
He was surprisingly good at it for such a burly man.
See, you get it then! Can't get that kinda shit at your local Denny's!
(Actually that's precisely where you get that kinda shit. That and food poisoning.)
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I hate the whole tipping thing.
Today, I picked up my dry cleaning, and saw a tip jar. I reached into my wallet and pulled out a couple of bucks, dropped it into the basket, then realised I'd given them a $10 by mistake, and had to take it out, hopefully without looking as though I'd just stolen $10. Very embarrassing.
It would be a lot easier if people just got paid decently, and we didn't have to worry about this shit.
wrote on 20 Dec 2022, 19:27 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in The digital tip jar:
Link to videoI hate the whole tipping thing.
Today, I picked up my dry cleaning, and saw a tip jar. I reached into my wallet and pulled out a couple of bucks, dropped it into the basket, then realised I'd given them a $10 by mistake, and had to take it out, hopefully without looking as though I'd just stolen $10. Very embarrassing.
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wrote on 20 Dec 2022, 19:37 last edited by
Are tips pooled & split among servers, hostesses & kitchen staff in the U.S.? Apparently, this happens here. What Iāve been doing lately, is giving a cash tip directly to my server, usually half hidden under my plate as I pass it to him/her.
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Also, just curious:
For those who don't believe in tipping all that much for restaurants, do you even know what good service is? What's the best you've ever been waited on? Bet I could top you.
wrote on 20 Dec 2022, 20:13 last edited by@Aqua-Letifer said in The digital tip jar:
Also, just curious:
For those who don't believe in tipping all that much for restaurants, do you even know what good service is? What's the best you've ever been waited on? Bet I could top you.
Best? At a high end sports bar/restaurant in Orlando. Waitress brought me out the most disturbing looking ribs I have ever seen. As I tried to cut into them it was pure fat and gristle. Before I could even flag the waitress down she brings me over a steak and says, I hope you donāt mind but those ribs looked just wrong. I grabbed you a steak and we took the ribs off the bill. The steak is on the house.
Whatās the percentage of a $30 tip on a $0 bill?
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@Aqua-Letifer said in The digital tip jar:
Also, just curious:
For those who don't believe in tipping all that much for restaurants, do you even know what good service is? What's the best you've ever been waited on? Bet I could top you.
Best? At a high end sports bar/restaurant in Orlando. Waitress brought me out the most disturbing looking ribs I have ever seen. As I tried to cut into them it was pure fat and gristle. Before I could even flag the waitress down she brings me over a steak and says, I hope you donāt mind but those ribs looked just wrong. I grabbed you a steak and we took the ribs off the bill. The steak is on the house.
Whatās the percentage of a $30 tip on a $0 bill?
wrote on 20 Dec 2022, 20:58 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in The digital tip jar:
@Aqua-Letifer said in The digital tip jar:
Also, just curious:
For those who don't believe in tipping all that much for restaurants, do you even know what good service is? What's the best you've ever been waited on? Bet I could top you.
Best? At a high end sports bar/restaurant in Orlando. Waitress brought me out the most disturbing looking ribs I have ever seen. As I tried to cut into them it was pure fat and gristle. Before I could even flag the waitress down she brings me over a steak and says, I hope you donāt mind but those ribs looked just wrong. I grabbed you a steak and we took the ribs off the bill. The steak is on the house.
Whatās the percentage of a $30 tip on a $0 bill?
What's the menu price of the ribs that you ordered originally? What's the menu price of the replacement steak?
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Also, just curious:
For those who don't believe in tipping all that much for restaurants, do you even know what good service is? What's the best you've ever been waited on? Bet I could top you.
wrote on 21 Dec 2022, 00:01 last edited by@Aqua-Letifer said in The digital tip jar:
Also, just curious:
For those who don't believe in tipping all that much for restaurants, do you even know what good service is? What's the best you've ever been waited on? Bet I could top you.
Yes. I love to leave large tips. It means I got what I came for - a great experience. A good server makes sure that happens.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in The digital tip jar:
Also, just curious:
For those who don't believe in tipping all that much for restaurants, do you even know what good service is? What's the best you've ever been waited on? Bet I could top you.
Yes. I love to leave large tips. It means I got what I came for - a great experience. A good server makes sure that happens.
wrote on 21 Dec 2022, 01:05 last edited by@Mik said in The digital tip jar:
@Aqua-Letifer said in The digital tip jar:
Also, just curious:
For those who don't believe in tipping all that much for restaurants, do you even know what good service is? What's the best you've ever been waited on? Bet I could top you.
Yes. I love to leave large tips. It means I got what I came for - a great experience. A good server makes sure that happens.
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wrote on 21 Dec 2022, 02:28 last edited by
I personally enjoy tipping, too, but itās gotten weird.
When we went to Universal Orlando, we were told there was no topping at any of the concessions except beer and wine.
I love tipping a bartender. I donāt run a tab for the first drink, instead paying upfront with a nice cash tip. Then I open a tab if necessary. I tip for prompt service and perhaps good conversationā¦ At least being made to feel comfortable and welcome.
So at Universal, these arenāt bars. You stand in a queue, order your drink, they dispense from the tap, and you pay and get out of the way. Why am I tipping that service if Iām not tipping the guy pouring the soda? Itās the same serviceā¦
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@taiwan_girl said in The digital tip jar:
I do not believe that tipping makes the service better.
Because you've never been a waitress in the U.S. So you don't know.
Say you are and you have 2 tables. Table A you've had before. They never tip well. Absolutely never. No matter what you do for them. Table B tips variably between good and excellently, depending on the service.
If you're in any way a decent waitress, what you're going to do is provide bare minimum coverage for Table A and put all your effort in Table B. Table A still gets their food, no one's getting scammed. But both parties get exactly what they pay for. And in the end, you make a shitload more money for an hour's worth if work. You win, Table B wins, and Table A doesn't have to pay extra for services it clearly doesn't value.
If you "just pay the poor servers the same decent wage" then everybody gets the same mediocre service. You don't go above and beyond for great customers, you have to put up with assholes, and there's no incentive to go the extra mile with anyone.
wrote on 21 Dec 2022, 02:33 last edited by taiwan_girl@Aqua-Letifer said in The digital tip jar:
@taiwan_girl said in The digital tip jar:
I do not believe that tipping makes the service better.
Because you've never been a waitress in the U.S. So you don't know.
Say you are and you have 2 tables. Table A you've had before. They never tip well. Absolutely never. No matter what you do for them. Table B tips variably between good and excellently, depending on the service.
If you're in any way a decent waitress, what you're going to do is provide bare minimum coverage for Table A and put all your effort in Table B. Table A still gets their food, no one's getting scammed. But both parties get exactly what they pay for. And in the end, you make a shitload more money for an hour's worth if work. You win, Table B wins, and Table A doesn't have to pay extra for services it clearly doesn't value.
If you "just pay the poor servers the same decent wage" then everybody gets the same mediocre service. You don't go above and beyond for great customers, you have to put up with assholes, and there's no incentive to go the extra mile with anyone.
I guess we will agree to disagree.
I take my car or bike to the shop to be fixed? Should I tip the guy?
I go to the dentist and he does a good job cleaning my teeth? Should I tip him?
I am standing in long line at the grocery store with only a few items. A worker motions me to come over to a empty cash machine and opens it up so I can check out faster. Should I tip her?
I take some reports down to the mail room to get copies made and put into a nice binder for distribution. They are super busy, but when I ask them to rush this one through, they do. Should I tip them?
etc
My point is that almost every job can be considered a service job. Why single out waitresses, bartender, etc?
I believe most people tip pretty much the same, regardless of service. And in the US, the expected %tip is seeming to slow increase. 15% seems to have increased to 20%
And I really dont think that tipping drives good service. Good waitresses are good waitresses. If tipping really changed behavior, then over time, there would be no bad waitresses. Only extradordinary ones.